HDR or not HDR

Dave_W

The Dude
I've been working on my HDR's in an effort to get a natural look. One of these images below is a 1 full stop HDR composed with 7 individual images and the other is a single, matrix metering w/ EV = 0. The single image was PP'ed using only LR-4, nothing fancy and the HDR with Photomatix.

So I'm curious if you can tell which is the 7 image HDR and which is a single image - #1 or #2? (and no cheating by peaking behind the curtain, ie- EXIF data)


#1

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#2

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DTigga

New member
Second is HDR, but is pretty close. I've been playing with hdr a bit recently and I find myself returning to the single shot to see if I can replicate the effect. Quite often I can with level/curve layers in PS.
 

RockyNH_RIP

Senior Member
Dave, I was picking the 2nd only because the colors in the water (from the sun to the right) but mostly the rocks to the left exhibit much more detail..

Good job on both!

Pat in NH
 

Marcel

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Honestly Dave, I'm having a hard time deciding… But I'd say the second one is HDR just by the feel. But they are very close.

Let's not forget that HDR used for normal contrast situations just produce the HDR look that some love and some hate. For some, it almost becomes an artifact to add to a picture where other use it more sparingly just to get details from the shadows and highlights. And there a whole range in between.

Nice post Dave, it makes me think.
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
I'm another one voting #2. Colors seem a little more compressed with loss of shadow/increase in dark area details not visible on #1, and the details around the sun itself and breaking waves are the giveaways for me (unless, of course, I'm wrong). They're both very fine and appealing photos. I find myself drawn to the sun and sky in the first and the foreground more in the second.

HDR is one of those things that starts out as a very cool toy, and evolves in one of a couple directions (at least for me) - 1. Using it to make the normal look perpetually abstract, 2. Using it to make the "unlightable" look well lit, 3. Using it occasionally, if at all, because you just can't seem to figure out what else to do with a situation but you like what you see in the frame and you're willing to try anything, or 4. Using it as a crutch because you're tired of tweaking all the little stuff in LR or PS all the time. I'm falling into the 2 category, with some 3 as well. I really liked being able to make some wild looking stuff early on, but it seems more like "art class" and less like photography to me now the more I do it. That said, I'm still incredibly satisfied when I can put together a couple bracketed frames of a difficultly lit landscape and out pops this thing that I'm not sure I could have gotten with a single, well exposed frame.
 

Rick M

Senior Member
I'm going to say #2 is the HDR, based on the shadow detail in the rock wall to the left. Since you can process HDR close to a normal range, it all depends what you do with it. The other thing is LR 4 has a slider for shadow control, so it's easier to make a single image look HDRish?
 

Dave_W

The Dude
Thank you all! What a great thread to wake up to this morning. It's my pleasure to tell you all that #1 is the HDR and #2 is the single photo. The tell is that photo #1 is more mottled in both the sky and the middle section compared to #2, which is much smoother and more of a single tone throughout the entire image. And thanks all for not peaking at the EXIF data but feel free to now, if you'd like :D

Here's another HDR that I hope doesn't look like an HDR.

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RockyNH_RIP

Senior Member
Thank you all! What a great thread to wake up to this morning. It's my pleasure to tell you all that #1 is the HDR and #2 is the single photo. The tell is that photo #1 is more mottled in both the sky and the middle section compared to #2, which is much smoother and more of a single tone throughout the entire image. And thanks all for not peaking at the EXIF data but feel free to now, if you'd like :D

Here's another HDR that I hope doesn't look like an HDR.

Ok, you fooled me Dave... They were both good and it was obviously hard to tell!! :confused:
It was a good exercise... and this new one also does NOT look HDR'ish.

Pat in NH
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
Give me a 50/50 shot at anything and there's a 90% chance I'm wrong. LOL

Funny, but I couldn't see any exif data on either of them, because I peaked after my post.
 

Dave_W

The Dude
Thanks Pat. I've learned a lot since I started using Photomatix. HDR is a powerful technique and I think the reason most people are turned off by HDR is due to the very unnatural and someone freakish look to them. Maybe I should say this was the reason I didn't like HDR's, it was a great way to take a nice photo and make it ugly. So teaching myself how to bring them back to reality has been my first goal. Now I want to find the point at which they cross over and to bring the compilation image up to the edge but to keep in in the real world.

Speaking of which, what do you think of this one below? Too HDR-ish or ?

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RockyNH_RIP

Senior Member
Thanks Pat. I've learned a lot since I started using Photomatix. HDR is a powerful technique and I think the reason most people are turned off by HDR is due to the very unnatural and someone freakish look to them. Maybe I should say this was the reason I didn't like HDR's, it was a great way to take a nice photo and make it ugly. So teaching myself how to bring them back to reality has been my first goal. Now I want to find the point at which they cross over and to bring the compilation image up to the edge but to keep in in the real world.

Speaking of which, what do you think of this one below? Too HDR-ish or ?

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I do not think it looks "too" HDR'ish.. It is much like the first pair.. I may question if a photo from HDR but if it does not go beyond the level of me questioning than I am ok... When it really begins to look cooked, textures grainey and halos around objects, it is passing the line for me...

Just my penny and a qtr... but these are good!

Pat in NH
 

TedG954

Senior Member
I've been working on my HDR's in an effort to get a natural look. One of these images below is a 1 full stop HDR composed with 7 individual images and the other is a single, matrix metering w/ EV = 0. The single image was PP'ed using only LR-4, nothing fancy and the HDR with Photomatix.

So I'm curious if you can tell which is the 7 image HDR and which is a single image - #1 or #2? (and no cheating by peaking behind the curtain, ie- EXIF data)


#1

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#2

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I don't quite understand. If the two photos look so similar that it's hard to tell them apart, what is the purpose of the effort to process a 7 frame HDR? If there's not enough of a change or improvement to make a marked difference, why not just stick with the non-HDR?

Additionally, HDR is a process to emphasize highs and lows. The use of 7 or 9 frames over a 3 frame HDR negates any real difference. The purpose of having the ability to have 7 or 9 frames to work with is to allow you to fine tune the HDR result by choosing the + and - combination that works best. A straight 3 frame HDR will give the same results as an unadjusted 7 or 9 frame HDR.
 
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Dave_W

The Dude
I don't quite understand. If the two photos look so similar that it's hard to tell them apart, what is the purpose of the effort to process a 7 frame HDR? If there's not enough of a change or improvement to make a marked difference, why not just stick with the non-HDR?

The point of this exercise was to learn what triggers in people's minds the belief an image is an HDR vs. a non-HDR and I think I now have an idea. I think it's important to understand where the bottom limit is so that you'll know when you reach to top limit. There's an entire generation of photographers who simply hate HDR because of the unnatural look and feel of an HDR image and I guess I want to understand where that line in the sand is. HDR can be a powerful and useful technique but if used improperly it will turn off a very large segment of your viewers. And to that end, I've a couple images that I'm entering into an international photo contest that I want to win and I know if I enter it with an HDR-ish image I'll not have a chance. This is my true motivation.
 

RockyNH_RIP

Senior Member
Dave, one more item I forget to mention/ask regarding the one in #12...

There is a small prism effect lower 3rd "just right" of center.. was that from the original or was that a creation of the HDR?

Pat in NH
 

Dave_W

The Dude
Dave, one more item I forget to mention/ask regarding the one in #12...

There is a small prism effect lower 3rd "just right" of center.. was that from the original or was that a creation of the HDR?

Pat in NH

That is good ol' lens flare, my friend. I was using my 14-24mm @ 14mm and the wider your lens is, the more flare you'll pick up. Sometimes it's attractive like the photo I posted, other times it's not so attractive, like this one below


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andybebbs

Senior Member
some nice pictures here but don`t see the point of making a hdr image that does not look like a hdr image, Just my opinion as i do like hdr and sometimes over do mine and need to learn to hold back a bit.
And i also thought it was picture two so fooled me to.
Thanks
Andy
 

RockyNH_RIP

Senior Member
some nice pictures here but don`t see the point of making a hdr image that does not look like a hdr image, Just my opinion as i do like hdr and sometimes over do mine and need to learn to hold back a bit.
And i also thought it was picture two so fooled me to.
Thanks
Andy


HDR allows you to bring out the shadow detail without blowing out the highlights... That is a major point of HDR. I just posted one yesterday (repeated here) of a maintenance garage, a normal exposure would have no detail inside if exposed normal with bright afternoon sun. I prefer (for most) a more natural look so take a milder approach to bring out the highlights.

Here is the before and after.. I have detail inside and also in the sky...

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Now, that is my opinion only... and I like the effect of some "overcooked" ones. The choice is yours and what you are trying to convey but there is a purpose for HDR beyond just the "HDR" look...

Have a great day and a great question.

Pat in NH
 
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