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    Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    So I routinely contract with the college I work at for photography services. The photography gig is totally outside the normal job duties I perform for another department. The Performing Arts Department pays me for me for shots, hence the contract. My dance photos have been used numerous times in the past for promotional materials, both in print and online, and recently I was pretty happy to have nailed a cover-shot. (Yea!)

    Now the downside...

    My photo was pretty drastically altered for publication and my conundrum is this... I really don't like what they did to my photo. I don't like it a lot:
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    This is my original (converted and cropped but not fully processed) shot
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    This is the published version (sorry for the crappy cell-phone pic)
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    I'm working on getting past the color-scheme and overall layout, which is bad enough, but... That background! ARE THOSE CLOUDS??!! And seriously... Selective Color?!

    .. *vomits quietly*

    Unfortunately there is nothing in the contract about manipulation prior to publication. Part of me wants to have a (polite) conversation about this, while another part of me says, "Don't be an idiot, Paul! They pay, and they pay rather well, so shut up and keep shooting." I just don't know if it's even worth getting worked up about. Legit complaint? Am I being precious? I don't mean to imply I'm losing sleep over this but I see this shot all over campus, Monday through Friday and it's kinda wedged itself under my skin.

    Opinions appreciated as I work through this... I see my therapist at three o'clock.


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    Re: Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    Paul, what is the checkerboard pattern on the back wall? Was that from textured wall paper? I'm not crazy about it (just my humble opinion). To me the background comes across as somewhat pixelated which is why I'm asking.

    If this is the first time they've edited one of your photos, my suggestion is to speak with whoever is on the other end of the contract. Keep your cool and be polite. Obviously you've got to swallow this incident and keep it down if nothing was ironed out ahead of time. I'm not familiar with photography contracts. It will be interesting to hear if people include the possibility for photo manipulation in theirs.
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    Re: Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    Paul,

    Frankly, I am reminded of the old saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I actually like the cloud and blue coloration effect (sorry). The main subject, the dancer (from what I can see) is true to your image. Now if they had given the dancer pink shoes and a green dress for example, I would vomit loudly!
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    Re: Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
    Paul, what is the checkerboard pattern on the back wall? Was that from textured wall paper? I'm not crazy about it (just my humble opinion). To me the background comes across as somewhat pixelated which is why I'm asking.
    I think what you're asking about is the scrim. It's a semi-transparent screen that drops down from the ceiling. I agree it doesn't look good in my original but that's pretty much how it looked out of camera. The shot has also also been compressed a number of times by now because I'm posting from my office computer (cyber-slacking!) and the original raw file is on the home-pc. The .tiff submitted for publication was fully processed and the background was much "cleaner" than what you're seeing here. .

    Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
    If this is the first time they've edited one of your photos, my suggestion is to speak with whoever is on the other end of the contract. Keep your cool and be polite. Obviously you've got to swallow this incident and keep it down if nothing was ironed out ahead of time. I'm not familiar with photography contracts. It will be interesting to hear if people include the possibility for photo manipulation in theirs.
    This is the first time they've done anything more than a minor crop. Well, that and lettering... But I'm willing to let that go.


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    Paul,

    Frankly, I am reminded of the old saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I actually like the cloud and blue coloration effect (sorry). The main subject, the dancer (from what I can see) is true to your image. Now if they had given the dancer pink shoes and a green dress for example, I would vomit loudly!
    You're certainly entitled to your opinion and I'm glad you like it! The shot has gotten a lot of rave reviews so you're far from alone.
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    Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?
    Paul,

    I recently watched a video from Daniel Norton who discusses this very topic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b3qmkIg58Q


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    Re: Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    If I were in your shoes ( I'm not) I would first have a polite conversation and voice my dissatisfaction about the matter and ask that maybe the next time they do a drastic alteration that I would be consulted...

    I would also ask if that were not possible that at least they would remove my name from the photo.

    If they are unwilling to make such accommodations, then I would ask myself if it's worth the extra income to me. If I was just staring out in life , getting married, thinking about raising a family, then personally I would not care. Lots of people have to do things that they don't enjoy to make a living . On the other hand if I didn't need the money, I would probably quit doing this gig if they were not accommodating.

    Good luck.
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    Re: Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horoscope Fish View Post
    I think what you're asking about is the scrim. It's a semi-transparent screen that drops down from the ceiling. I agree it doesn't look good in my original but that's pretty much how it looked out of camera. The shot has also also been compressed a number of times by now because I'm posting from my office computer (cyber-slacking!) and the original raw file is on the home-pc. The .tiff submitted for publication was fully processed and the background was much "cleaner" than what you're seeing here. .
    I understand. The reason I asked is because I had a previous issue with pixelation on a full size image and wasn't sure if that's what happened here. It must be the scrim then. Hope you get it all sorted out to your satisfaction.
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    Re: Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prefrosh01 View Post
    Paul,

    I recently watched a video from Daniel Norton who discusses this very topic.
    Thank you posting that link. That's some seriously good stuff.

    "Yeah, it sucks they didn't have enough artistic notion to know your image was perfect just as it was..." HA!! Dude!

    Taken out of context it makes me laugh but he really nailed how I've been feeling about this. Taken in context, with rest of his whole thought train starting at 3m 40s, he's spot-on.
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    Re: Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horoscope Fish View Post
    Thank you posting that link. That's some seriously good stuff.

    "Yeah, it sucks they didn't have enough artistic notion to know your image was perfect just as it was..." HA!! Dude!

    Taken out of context it makes me laugh but he really nailed how I've been feeling about this. Taken in context, with rest of his whole thought train starting at 3m 40s, he's spot-on.
    Paul,

    I'm glad you found it helpful/insightful.

    I have learned so much here from everyone, I like to help out when I can!

    Good luck with however you decide to move forward with this!
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    Re: Artistic Conundrum :: To Make a Stink or Not to Make a Stink?

    I had a response, but I think it was covered by that video. When you sell an image for adverts, you can't really tell them how to use it. They know what they want artistcally on their ads.

    It looks good for what it is, a colorful spring ad featuring a ballerina that looks like she is dancing on water, which might be why they added the clouds, so it will look like the horizon (or it could be like a painted stage backdrop.)

    I looked up their website, your image looks good on there. What they did with the spring advert kind of goes with their style when you compare it to their Legally Blonde advert. Very pink with the subject placed in front of a pink bokeh background.

    Your photography is good, and I don't think it got lost in the final product. I say, keep putting the checks in the bank and let them do whatever it is they are going to do.
    Maybe you could pitch a gallery wall in their lobby featuring their dancers to help promote the theater. Your vision. Hey, I didn't nickname you the Digital Degas for nothing.
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