Three New Wide-Angle Lenses From Nikon

Prefrosh01

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I saw this and was intrigued by the new 10-20 DX (especially the price), but I read that the older bodies may not be able to turn off the VR on the new AF-P lenses unless Nikon releases a firmware update...is there any truth to that?

I shoot with a 7100.

Would I be better off looking at a used Tokina 11-16 or 11-20 if I want to get into the world of Ultra Wide lenses? I know the Tokina would give me a constant 2.8 lens as opposed to the 4.5-5.6 variable of the Nikon.
 

Horoscope Fish

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I saw this and was intrigued by the new 10-20 DX (especially the price), but I read that the older bodies may not be able to turn off the VR on the new AF-P lenses unless Nikon releases a firmware update...is there any truth to that?
That I can't answer... I haven't heard the VR can't be turned off thing myself, but I haven't really looked into any of these lenses in detail.

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Would I be better off looking at a used Tokina 11-16 or 11-20 if I want to get into the world of Ultra Wide lenses? I know the Tokina would give me a constant 2.8 lens as opposed to the 4.5-5.6 variable of the Nikon.
The Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 is a superb lens, I really don't think anyone would debate that. And since you're shooting a D7100 you can get the less expensive version without the on-board focus motor. It produces a fair amount of chromatic aberration but that's something I find pretty easy to deal with when post-processing. The 11-20mm f/2.8 is a little more flexible, obviously, in focal length but I could be happy with either. I currently have the 11-16mm and like it a lot. I also (strongly!) prefer fixed aperture lenses, but that's me.
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Bikerbrent

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I saw this and was intrigued by the new 10-20 DX (especially the price), but I read that the older bodies may not be able to turn off the VR on the new AF-P lenses unless Nikon releases a firmware update...is there any truth to that?

I shoot with a 7100.

Would I be better off looking at a used Tokina 11-16 or 11-20 if I want to get into the world of Ultra Wide lenses? I know the Tokina would give me a constant 2.8 lens as opposed to the 4.5-5.6 variable of the Nikon.

Unfortunately, after decades of Nikon working hard to ensure that new bodies work with older lenses and new lenses work with older bodies, they seem to have reversed course. So it appears true that the D7100 or even D7200 will NOT work fully with the new lenses. Apparently Nikon has decided to help their bottom line by forcing their users to upgrade both their cameras and lenses at the same time.
 

Fortkentdad

Senior Member
Having just bought a Tokina 11-20 2.8 the DX Ultra-wide came too late.


But I've been looking for a Fisheye - and maybe this one will be the one?

But even IF it is sold in Canada for the same MSRP as US, at today's exchange it comes in close to $1,700 CDN - and that is a big IF - often the price in Canada is significantly higher than the US price x the exchange rate. Never less. That is a pretty price to pay for a fisheye you may use once and a while.

The 10.5 DX fisheye can be had for about a grand -sometimes less. Still not chump change.

As for the 1.4 . . . I find 1.8 more than fast enough for me. That extra .4 really ups the price, and while it is nice, I can 'make do" with the 1.8 models.
 

RocketCowboy

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Having just bought a Tokina 11-20 2.8 the DX Ultra-wide came too late.

I really enjoyed my Nikon 10-24 G lens on the D7100. It's a shame the new 10-24 E has moved some of the controls (VR, mainly) into the camera body firmware, and so this lens won't be as flexible on the D7100 as the previous lens. I don't see the gain with this thought process ... first the new 70-300mm and now the 10-24mm E, having to navigate the menu system to disable/enable VR on the body is a step in the wrong direction. I hope it at least provides some good images in the IQ department.
 

Blacktop

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Unfortunately, after decades of Nikon working hard to ensure that new bodies work with older lenses and new lenses work with older bodies, they seem to have reversed course. So it appears true that the D7100 or even D7200 will NOT work fully with the new lenses. Apparently Nikon has decided to help their bottom line by forcing their users to upgrade both their cameras and lenses at the same time.

I'm not sure Nikon is helping their bottom line at all with these types of decisions and pricings.
 

Horoscope Fish

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I'm suspicious Nikon is moving toward a business model aimed much more, if not exclusively, at professionals. Meaning more high-end bodies (whether mirrored or mirror-less (maybe both)), high-end glass and, course... Prices to match. The hobbyist/pro-sumer market I see being left virtually unsupported. I have a sneaking suspicion Nikon will, at some point in the not too distant future, come on the scene with at least one new mirror-less offering aimed at the professional market, again with a price-tag to match. I think they'll want something with a certain amount of lens support "built in" so you're not just buying a camera, you're buying a complete system; maybe even utilizing the current F-mount to allow for all that sweet, sweet vintage glass to be utilized.

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts/donuts, Nikon releases more and more pro-level gear in the coming months/years while releasing less and less gear aimed at the more casual shooter. The release of the more budget-oriented 10-20mm DX lens does nothing to convince me otherwise. Of course I'm only speculating.
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hark

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I'm suspicious Nikon is moving toward a business model aimed much more, if not exclusively, at professionals.

Back in the early 1980's, I went looking to buy a new 35mm SLR. Not knowing anything about brands or features (and didn't even know how to use one), the salesman showed me one from Nikon, one from Canon, and one from Minolta. The Nikon was priced twice as much as either of the others. If I remember correctly, the Canon offered Shutter Priority and Manual Mode while the Minolta offered Aperture Priority and Manual Mode. I chose the Minolta. Of course, I could kick myself now as I wish would have purchased the Nikon. :shame: I can't even remember the model of the Nikon.
 

Blacktop

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I'm suspicious Nikon is moving toward a business model aimed much more, if not exclusively, at professionals. Meaning more high-end bodies (whether mirrored or mirror-less (maybe both)), high-end glass and, course... Prices to match. The hobbyist/pro-sumer market I see being left virtually unsupported. I have a sneaking suspicion Nikon will, at some point in the not too distant future, come on the scene with at least one new mirror-less offering aimed at the professional market, again with a price-tag to match. I think they'll want something with a certain amount of lens support "built in" so you're not just buying a camera, you're buying a complete system; maybe even utilizing the current F-mount to allow for all that sweet, sweet vintage glass to be utilized.

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts/donuts, Nikon releases more and more pro-level gear in the coming months/years while releasing less and less gear aimed at the more casual shooter. The release of the more budget-oriented 10-20mm DX lens does nothing to convince me otherwise. Of course I'm only speculating.
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They did release the new 70-300mm recently. But, oh man!! Wouldn't a 70-300mm pf f/4 be a sweet lens? Yes, yes it would.:distracted: That would totally be my Zoo and Botanical gardens lens.
 

SkvLTD

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Fisheye is definitely a real neat one, and priced just right! Can be perfect for videos and a supplement to the rectilinear UWAs.
 
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