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  1. #1
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    ND Filters - too many choices

    I'm thinking I "need" a ND filter of some sort.

    Thought of the Cokin "P" series. Somewhere around $100 for an ND Kit + rings for each diameter I want to use. (Hear you can buy a cheap kit just for the full set of rings and they work fine??) But looks kinda bulky. On the other hand lots of optional square filters you can add later for creative effects (most you can get pp anyway???. Yes Lee is better but not spending that much money.

    Considered a fixed ND filter - maybe a 10 stop or something like that and just use the one. Or a set of three (Hoya and Tiffen offer sets with 2 - 4 - 6 stackables). Maybe???

    Many recommend the Faders

    Looked at Faders. Cheap Fotga (and it gets some 'ok' youtuber reviews). $20 down by d'Bay comes to you on the slow boat from China - in about a month or two.

    Some 'lesser' brands such as Cameron (Henry's wants $150 for an 82mm) or Optix from London Drugs - similar price. Promaster (basic one) $90.00.

    Or do I spend twice as much for a Hoya or Tiffen (both coming in at $280ish for an 82mm). See a Cokin "Harmonie" ND fader 82mm for $190. Hmmmm? top end of what I might spend. And then I need step down rings (about three or four).

    The 82 fits my 24-70 so my most likely use.

    And I wonder if this will end up sitting in my collection of "I thought that be nice to have but now never use it" drawer?


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  2. #2
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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    If you're only thinking about your "need" and haven't done anything yet then just do this...

    Buy one really good 9 or 10 stop filter at 77mm (or larger if you have a lens with a bigger filter size) and a set of step down rings for any other filter size you need.

    If you "need" anything else it will become apparent when you're out and say, "God, I wish I had..." That's only happened to me once, and my wish was for 3 more stops, so now I carry both the 9 stop I use all the time and the 3 stop I got with my set of ND2-4-6 filters (the 1 and 2 stop never come out of the drawer).

    And whatever you do don't buy a variable ND!!!
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  3. #3
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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    If you are looking to make moving water appear smooth and silky, look at either a 9- or 10-stop ND filter. I haven't used the fader type myself, but some Nikonites said the ND effect is splotchy (uneven) when rotated to a certain point. If you are going to use it on a wide angle lens, they do make slim profile filters (thinner front to back) to cut down on vignetting. The 9- and 10-stop filters are very dark. You need to compose your image and determine your exposure before adding the filter. It helps to switch to manual focus as otherwise it is too dark to see through, and the camera can't focus.

    As I previewed what I wrote, I see Jake sneaked in and posted. Lol!
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  4. #4
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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    I use a knock-off Cokin "P" system... The only real Cokin plastic I own is a Red filter and the Cir. Polarizer... Other than that, the $12 ring set is exactly the same as the real Cokin rings... I did have to scrounge around for a small bag to hold everything which I can either leave home, or attach to a camera bag if I'm out and about... The plastic ND filters are fine (I keep my Nikonites member rag in the bag with the filters) The Cokins require some forethought about what you're doing... because you can't exactly just slap it on a camera as an afterthought... but, for me, the flexibility of choices, and cost is good.

    I have a circular ND filter, and I rarely even carry it...

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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortkentdad View Post
    a Hoya or Tiffen (both coming in at $280ish for an 82mm).
    That's a heck of a price difference compared to here.
    You can pick up a Hoya ProND 1000 82mm here for ~$130 (Canadian $)
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  6. #6
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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    Quote Originally Posted by žam View Post
    That's a heck of a price difference compared to here.
    You can pick up a Hoya ProND 1000 82mm here for ~$130 (Canadian $)
    And by "here" you mean where? I searched and did not find it in Nikonites Marketplace.


    Henry's price on this is $185 CDN
    B&H is $170 plus import fees about the same (yes free shipping to Canada but they charge a different fee which is about the same).
    Amazon.CA wants $198 (from Langton Distribution - my google of that returned lots of unhappy customer reviews for their service).

    From eBay I can get a Hoya - see more 400's than 1,000's. Still $150 + custom fees $17 US so $167 x 1.4 so way over the top.
    Best is for $92 ($130 CDN) from South Korea eBay site. and that is for a 400 not 1000.

    But will think more about whether a fader is better or if I shouldn't go for a fixed ND (400 or 1000 or ?)
    And there is that one chap happy with the Cokin - even the cheap imitation Cokins - and since I'd use the rings may be worth the $20 to find out if I like that sort of effect?

    Thanks for all who replied.

    And yes this is to smooth water.
    I also think it cool how you can use it to make passer-bys disappear (works sort of I'm told).
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  7. #7
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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    Just for clarity, with the Cokin holder, you can add/combine up to 3 different filters at once...

  8. #8
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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    Maybe you should consider the ICE 10-stop ND filter for 82mm. Read the reviews and see if it sounds like it might work for you.

    Amazon US: Amazon.com : ICE 82mm ND1000 Filter Neutral Density ND 1000 82 10 Stop Optical Glass : Camera Lens Neutral Density Filters : Camera & Photo

    B&H: Ice 82mm Ice ND1000 Solid Neutral Density 3.0 ICE-ND1000-82 B&H
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  9. #9
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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    Thanks for the Link Hark -

    Boy Amazon.CA really likes to mark up
    $29 US for that ICE 82mm x 1.4 exchange maybe $42- but buy it in Canada $119 + $20 shipping

    https://www.amazon.ca/ICE-ND1000-Neu...eutral+Density




    Somebody is in the rip off business. (oddly, they do provide a link on that page to a US vendor - guess what, buy it from the USA $42 CDN + $6 shipping. Gotta read the fine print in Amazon.CA).
    FKD Alberta Canada

    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX:
    AFS 60mm 2.8, AFS 85mm 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35mm 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    Lensbaby Composer Pro with collection of optics & 5.8 F/3.5 Fisheye,
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4 TC
    SB-400, 600 & 700, Metz 58 AF2, Godox AD360 & 2 x V860 et al
    and Benro Transfunctional Travel Angel to watch over me

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    Re: ND Filters - too many choices

    Quote Originally Posted by FredKingston View Post
    Just for clarity, with the Cokin holder, you can add/combine up to 3 different filters at once...
    These certainly provide max creative options for least dollars (if you stay away from the high end Lee)

    And there are so many cheap knock offs. You are saying you are using the cheapies and they are just fine. I wonder if there are any differences between brands or are they pretty much all the same with different names. Fotga, Neewer, XSource, K&F, Goja, and so on.

    Some offer handy gadgets, a few come with cases. Price $30-$80 depending on the kit

    Amazon.CA has the Cokin P kit with the 3 ND filters (not grad) for about $100 (same as some Canadian retailers).

    Bulky - and as you say not something you slap on but a deliberate effort to get a particular image.

    I do read that these plates have to be handled with care as they scratch easily.

    Hmmmm.... still thinking on this.
    FKD Alberta Canada

    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX:
    AFS 60mm 2.8, AFS 85mm 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35mm 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    Lensbaby Composer Pro with collection of optics & 5.8 F/3.5 Fisheye,
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4 TC
    SB-400, 600 & 700, Metz 58 AF2, Godox AD360 & 2 x V860 et al
    and Benro Transfunctional Travel Angel to watch over me





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