Dear Sigma

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
Dear Sigma,

This is not the way to publish a user manual on a $2000 lens.

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Not only is it impossibly unwieldy, you've rendered it so that at least 1/4 of the available languages (including English) are impossible to access immediately next to the diagram no matter how the folds are re-folded.

If you must do this to save on printing why can you not make a PDF version available by language so that we can at least view it online or print our own?!

This is ridiculously unacceptable, particularly on a lens with this many features. But heck, it's unacceptable on any product when you don't make the manual available online.

Regards,

A loyal, but currently not exactly happy, customer
 

nickt

Senior Member
I couldn't find manuals on the US site the other day. I had to stumble my way to the UK to find a pdf for my C version.
 

Danno

Senior Member
Dear Sigma,

This is not the way to publish a user manual on a $2000 lens.



Not only is it impossibly unwieldy, you've rendered it so that at least 1/4 of the available languages (including English) are impossible to access immediately next to the diagram no matter how the folds are re-folded.

If you must do this to save on printing why can you not make a PDF version available by language so that we can at least view it online or print our own?!

This is ridiculously unacceptable, particularly on a lens with this many features. But heck, it's unacceptable on any product when you don't make the manual available online.

Regards,

A loyal, but currently not exactly happy, customer


I could not agree more. I just bought a wide angle lens and opened it yesterday and I could not believe what passed for an owners manual. I had to use a hand held magnifying glass to read it. I was surprised and disappointed.
 

Dawg Pics

Senior Member
I would just pull the right edge of the images column over to meet the left edge of the English column. The heck with the original fold lines.
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
I would just pull the right edge of the images column over to meet the left edge of the English column. The heck with the original fold lines.

The problem with this approach is all of the other languages to the right that require the same type of folding. Ultimately I decided to read the English from the PDF and refer to the paper diagrams. PITA.

But I will say that with all the various settings on this lens, and the ability to tweak internal functions with the USB Dock, reading this manual is even more important as reading that first DSLR manual because there aren't many places like this that can explain the simple questions you'd know the answers to if you'd only "read the freakin' manual!!" LOL
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
The problem with this approach is all of the other languages to the right that require the same type of folding. Ultimately I decided to read the English from the PDF and refer to the paper diagrams. PITA.
I'm not 100% certain exactly what you'd like your manual to look like but I have access to Adobe Acrobat Pro which gives me advanced editing control over published PDF's. If what you need is something along the lines of cutting and pasting the relevant pages of the manual into a single PDF then I might be able to do that for you. I'm no pro when it comes to using Acrobat, and a lot will depend on how the original PDF was formatted, but if you tell me what you want I'd be happy to see if it's "doable".
 
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BackdoorArts

Senior Member
I use Foxit for PDF's (the overhead on Acrobat is ridiculous) and it has an editor as well, but I don't have the time or the will to fix it. I would think that they'd be able to make a language specific version that would allow you to see a side-by-side of the diagram and your given language - essentially a pre-fold of the big diagram instead of the same damn thing. In a physical manual I'd want something a little less unwieldy than a HUGE piece of paper. I don't mind having to turn to the front of a manual to see a diagram and having all the languages broken out in sections, but I don't want to have to learn to fold it like a commuter fighting the NY Times on a train just to read it in my home. A book of any sort would be preferable.
 

Dawg Pics

Senior Member
The problem with this approach is all of the other languages to the right that require the same type of folding. Ultimately I decided to read the English from the PDF and refer to the paper diagrams. PITA.

But I will say that with all the various settings on this lens, and the ability to tweak internal functions with the USB Dock, reading this manual is even more important as reading that first DSLR manual because there aren't many places like this that can explain the simple questions you'd know the answers to if you'd only "read the freakin' manual!!" LOL

Understood. It is like using a large map for a city block. PITA.
I can't wait for you to learn to use it. Pretty images on the way. I have to say, I never would have thought a lens would tether to a computer like that. Will that much precision show on the type of work you do? I am asking for my own learning. I still struggle with image subtleties, but I am starting to see differences where I couldn't before.

So, what is tweakable and why did you choose this one?
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
Understood. It is like using a large map for a city block. PITA.
I can't wait for you to learn to use it. Pretty images on the way. I have to say, I never would have thought a lens would tether to a computer like that. Will that much precision show on the type of work you do? I am asking for my own learning. I still struggle with image subtleties, but I am starting to see differences where I couldn't before.

So, what is tweakable and why did you choose this one?

I chose this because the image quality and focus is head and shoulders above the 150-500mm Sigma I was using. OOF areas are far less noisy (not ISO noise, the old Sigma just looked sort of random - bokeh was poor) and focus is extremely fast comparatively.

What's tweakable? Autofocus, and in a big way. First off, Nikon allows you to fine tune AF at a single value for a lens, which means on a zoom lens like this I would have to pick on spot on the zoom and one focus distance at that spot, do my calibration and then hope for the best in other areas. With the dock I can tune the lens at 4 different zoom lengths (150, 250, 400 & 600mm) and at 4 focus distances within each focal length (8.5, 20, 50 feet, and infinity). Why is this important? Because depending on the camera and lens you can get some wildly different fine tuning adjustments throughout the range as evidenced by this chart from a reviewer...

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Normally when I do zooms like this I generally pick the long end at the recommended calibration distance for the focal length (i.e. 25-50x focal length: 600mm x 25 = 15,000mm or 15 meters). That means based on the chart above I would have set my camera's AF fine tuning to +2 for this lens, which would have served me fine for most of what I'd be shooting at 600mm, but I'd be front focusing on everything else at every other focal length. (The actual best way to do a lens like this is to do all these same measurements and then use a number that's a compromise based on what you believe will work best for most of your shooting - in this case probably something around 0 to -2 for the way I expect to use it).

The compromise is that these values are stored in the lens and are independent of the body you use, so once calibrated for one body it can yield ugly results on others (my brother had this issue with a Sigma 120-300mm Sport as it was significantly different on his Canon 1D's than on his 5D's and 7D's due in no small part to the way Canon rigged their firmware in the high end model). Until I get my D500 I will need to decide if that's going to be the D750 or my D7100 (which I was hoping to sell).

You can apparently also adjust AF parameters to allow you to prioritize AF speed over accuracy (i.e. it will be faster but you risk it hunting more), or something like that. And you can also adjust the Image Stabilization parameters selecting between a fast engaging but not so steady value to a slower but more rock solid lock (out of the box it's not nearly steady enough for me given the weight of the lens). I haven't played with it yet but that's in my plans for the weekend.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
wait a sec..you set up the AF tuning..thats only for one specific camera? so if you shoot on another it will use these tweaked settings on it? shame they cant add a feature so it will know which camera is being used and adjust it to that. like a U1 U2 for each camera..

kinda makes the whole usb dock tuning unusable if you shoot with multiple bodies..
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
wait a sec..you set up the AF tuning..thats only for one specific camera? so if you shoot on another it will use these tweaked settings on it? shame they cant add a feature so it will know which camera is being used and adjust it to that. like a U1 U2 for each camera..

kinda makes the whole usb dock tuning unusable if you shoot with multiple bodies..

Well, think of it this way, when you stick any lens on a Nikon the lens is already "calibrated" in some fashion (in the factory) and you get to slam that on any body at any time with one single fine tuning adjustment and hope for the best. Here you tune the lens for the camera you use most and then adjust the same way you used to for any other body knowing you've nailed one point the same way you've done in the past. As I noted, when my brother did this with his lens he was perfect on one body and perfectly fine on any other body that wasn't a 1D, so you'd be the same way.

With that said, yes, you can only fine tune the lens for one body at a time, but you can certainly perform the calibration on every body you own and in a couple minutes before going out hook the lens up to the dock and re-enter the parameters for the body you'll be using that day. It takes a bit of planning, but in general when you're going out with a lens like this you're not hot swapping from body to body, even if you're shooting a sporting event.

You could also look at the values across all bodies and select values for each of the 16 matrix points that give you the best accuracy across all your bodies.
 
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