D and non-D lenses

ohkphoto

Snow White
Need some help here. I understand the difference between the G and D lenses. But what is the difference between the D and non-D AF lenses. I have noticed on ebay that if a nikon lens is not labeled as a D, it usually sells for at least $100 less.

Also, does anyone use an AF non-D and non-G lens on their camera and if so, do you notice any difference in metering or quality of photos?

I have an 85 mm AF f/1.8 that is not labeled as a D and I do not notice anything lacking in camera handling or exposure/photo quality.

I just don't know enough about Nikon's labeling system!

Best Regards
 

fotojack

Senior Member
Helene, perhaps there's something on Ken Rockwell's site that might clarify that. I just always presumed that a non D lens meant it was a G lens. :) I could be wrong though. :)
 

ohkphoto

Snow White
I just always presumed that a non D lens meant it was a G lens.

That's what I thought, too, Jack, but I'm beginning to see I'm wrong -- the G lenses seem to be the newer ones. The non-
D lense seem to be the older ones, and the D lenses seem to be in-between. (I think)
 

Joseph Bautsch

New member
Correct, the "D" on a lens is for distance measurement. It's a more efficient way of measuring distance especially in flash. Also all "G" lenses have the "D" feature. The focus distance as measured by the "D" feature is also recorded in the EXIF data.
 

ohkphoto

Snow White
Correct, the "D" on a lens is for distance measurement. It's a more efficient way of measuring distance especially in flash

So, is a reasonable deduction that for the CLS you're better off having a D lens as opposed to a non-D?
 

Joseph Bautsch

New member
By your post, evidently you are not seeing any problems in using the non-D. If you are getting the results you want why spend the money for a new one. The only thing I could find on the internet is a 85mm, f/1.8D review by SLRgear.com. In that review the author states the non-D lens came out in 1988 and the D version was introduced in 1994. The non-D version was originally designed to be used on 35mm film cameras. The author, who also used both lenses, also mentions that he saw little or no difference between the non-D and the D version. That's all I could find on it. Maybe someone else has more information. But at this point I would be reluctant to replace the non-D lens without more information that doing so will improve CLS exposures.
 
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ohkphoto

Snow White
This has been very enlightening and I just want to thank everyone for replying and posting the links. I rarely use flash with my 85/1.8, but I'm looking to add the nikon 105 2.8 micro with which I might use flash, so I think I'll look for the "D" version just to be safe.

Best Regards
 

Joseph Bautsch

New member
Helene, take a look at the Macro 105mm, f/2.8G VR. The G lens also has the D feature. The VRII will be a big help when hand holding. If you take a look at my latest blog, I did an overview of Nikons VR systems.
 
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NORMB

New member
Nikon SLR lens designations

Maybe I can help a bit. Non AI, AI, and AIS are the designations for the older manual focus lenses used in older film cameras. Newer digital cameras can usually use these lenses, but through-the-lens metering and auto-focus won't be available. The AI, AIS lenses may have exposure coupling rings which will hit the flash housing on newer Digital cameras. These projections can usually be removed. E stands for better lens construction. Initially it really mattered, but as time went on, Nikon designated cheaper lenses with the E or ED logo as well. D is the designation given to lenses which can adjust the shot settings based on feedback from exposure acquisition during focusing and shutter open time. It's not that important to getting good shots. All lenses following here have the D capability. G lenses (sometimes called gelded) have no aperture adjustment on the lens itself. Focus is adjusted by the camera electronics and either by the camera motor or in-lens motor. All G lenses have D function as well. These lenses are generally plastic and cheaper to manufacture. They can also be manually focused. DX lenses are designed for DX cameras which have smaller sensors. When used on full frame professional type cameras such as the D3 or D700 which have large sensors, there will usually be vignetting. AF-S lenses have the motor (S stands for silent) within the lens itself. Cameras such as the D40, D3000, D5000 which have no in-camera motor to drive focus are restricted to these lenses if the auto-focus function is desired. Typically labeled as AF-S ED G. The D40 and it's successors can use most any Nikon lens, but non AF-S lenses will need to be manually focused. There is a benefit to this type of plastic in-motor lens and smaller non motorized body. Camera's such as the D40 are really light and easy to handle. I don't think there is much correlation between lens designations, price and the quality of the image. Some of the cheapest lenses are the sharpest and have the least distortion, flare, and color fringing. It's best to read reviews such as from Ken Rockwell before buying a Nikon SLR lens. A similar lens costing 1/4 as much as the one that's highly priced and touted may actually perform better. One good thing is that most all Nikon lenses are excellent performers. Hope this helps, NORMB.
Need some help here. I understand the difference between the G and D lenses. But what is the difference between the D and non-D AF lenses. I have noticed on ebay that if a nikon lens is not labeled as a D, it usually sells for at least $100 less.

Also, does anyone use an AF non-D and non-G lens on their camera and if so, do you notice any difference in metering or quality of photos?

I have an 85 mm AF f/1.8 that is not labeled as a D and I do not notice anything lacking in camera handling or exposure/photo quality.

I just don't know enough about Nikon's labeling system!

Best Regards
 
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ohkphoto

Snow White
The AI, AIS lenses may have exposure coupling rings which will hit the flash housing on newer Digital cameras.

Is this why I can't rotate the aperature ring when I mount the "old" 50mm lens (standard lens with the F camera) on my D200?

Norm, thank you very much for the detailed explanation as well. Hope you decide to be a part of this fun group!

Best Regards
 

Ranie

Senior Member
This has been very enlightening and I just want to thank everyone for replying and posting the links. I rarely use flash with my 85/1.8, but I'm looking to add the nikon 105 2.8 micro with which I might use flash, so I think I'll look for the "D" version just to be safe.

Best Regards

Helene, what is your primary purpose in getting the 105 F2.8 macro? If your purpose is portraits and general photography, may I suggest the 105 DC F2 (AF DC-NIKKOR 105mm f/2D from Nikon). I have this lens and its awesome for portraits. The bokeh is adjustable according to what suits you.
Sample photos can be viewed here: Flickr: The Nikon 105mm f2 DC Users Pool
 

ohkphoto

Snow White
If your purpose is portraits and general photography, may I suggest the 105 DC F2 (AF DC-NIKKOR 105mm f/2D from Nikon).

I am so glad you mentioned this lens, Ranie. I had spotted this lens 2 years ago and decided I wanted it, and then got sidetracked with other lenses and forgot all about it. Better bokeh is what I want. I really liked the bokeh on the 105 on macro shots much more than the 60 mm, but I don't do as much macro work as I do portrait. About $1000, I see . . .sigh . . . I better buy a lottery ticket! lol
 

ohkphoto

Snow White
You're a doll, Ranie, thank you! It's on my watch list. I hope that the other bidders are real cheapskates! Will let you know the outcome.
 
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