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  1. #11
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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Karmann_65 View Post
    I can see how there is always a compromise at certain focal lengths but who buys a (up to) 300mm lens and wants it sharpest at the shorter end?
    As an afterthought, to give a serious answer you did not ask for, I can see two reasons from a maker's perspective: a. Optimizing the short end is generally easier/cheaper. b. If the short end is soft, people always blame the manufacturer. If the long end is soft, some or many might blame their hand-holding skills.


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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    If your current D3100 isn't slowing you down when you need to use the LCD menus to change settings, then I would suggest staying with the D5x00 line of bodies. You'll have a more compact camera body, similar to what you have with your D3100, as well as a similar menu experience to what you have now.

    I moved from the D5300 to a D7100 because I wanted dual command wheels so I could stay out of the menus as much as possible, but it sounds like that isn't a concern for you. Unless there are other features you haven't mentioned yet (OEM battery grip, dual card slots, etc), then it sounds like the D3x00/D5x00 models are a good fit.


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  3. #13
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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    For me the choice would be the D72xx for the external controls, the dual cards, the dual commands a whole bunch of ither stuff.
    As far as size goes I have small hands for a male and have never felt the camera is too big.
    But either one you have short listed would be a good (great) upgrade)
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  4. #14
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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    I would seriously recommend the D7200. My fear would be that if you get a D5500, in a year or two you will be posting looking for a D5500 replacement. If you cannot afford the D7200, then I would recommend the D7100 over the D5500.
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  5. #15
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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    Unless the more expensive bodies have some feature that is crimping your style of photography, I see no need for investing in features that you will never use, except for GAS. If you are happy with D3100 controls and have never felt the need for more buttons/wheels/card slots, then unless you shoot liveview at odd angles (D5xxx series), you can stick to D3xxx series. Compared to D3100, D3300 will give you better IQ due to no low pass filter and 24MP images. If you use the built in flash then D3300 is better as the D3400 has lower power flash, else D4300 for marginally lighter body and longer lasting battery. The sensor is practically same in both these bodies.

    I shoot for the pleasure of it and have plenty of time to use menu to change settings. I have had the D3300 since 2014, and like it much better than my son's D300; which I used before that; in spite of D300 having more focus points and faster AF. Which is not of much use to me as I always use single point AF (90% centre) and Aperture Priority with fixed ISO. Most of my setting changes are Aperture 99% of the time and ISO 1% of the time and that too for longer duration.

    Based on my use, when I change, I will goo for FF body to get wider shots with wide lenses (and better low light performance), as long as it is as simple and as light as the D3xxx series. (No LCD, no 2nd card, Single wheel, fixed screen).






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  6. #16
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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    Quote Originally Posted by aroy View Post
    Unless the more expensive bodies have some feature that is crimping your style of photography, I see no need for investing in features that you will never use, except for GAS. If you are happy with D3100 controls and have never felt the need for more buttons/wheels/card slots, then unless you shoot liveview at odd angles (D5xxx series), you can stick to D3xxx series.

    I shoot for the pleasure of it and have plenty of time to use menu to change settings. I always use single point AF (90% centre) and Aperture Priority with fixed ISO. Most of my setting changes are Aperture 99% of the time and ISO 1% of the time and that too for longer duration.
    There's time yet before I make a final decision but so far I'm leaning towards the D5500 because it'll feel familiar to what I have now in many ways and yet return a better overall IQ. The swivel screen answers my issue of it shining back in the dark provided the basic settings can still be seen through the view finder.

    I went to two local camera shops on Friday to try and get a "hands on" feel for the considered options. The first shop talked at such a high level that I walked away more bamboozled than ever. Seemed like all they wanted to sell me was professional kit and if I wanted anything less I'd get frowned upon. Not one camera was removed from the cabinets for me to hold.
    The second shop however had a much better outlook and the advice was generally fair enough. However they no longer sell the D5500 as it's been superseeded by the D5600 (at 150 more expensive). I asked what the difference was between the two and that's where the information all got a bit vague. When I mentioned the D7200 I got told they're phasing that out also as it too has been superseeded, by the D7500 (450 more expensive, body only).

    On the plus side, I did get to hold both cameras and had a good discussion about the latest (up to) 300mm lenses and beyond.

    All this collective information and I'm left feeling the D5500 or D5600 will suit my purposes better. For the next few years anyway. It's not often I get to take pictures without my kids in tow so having the luxury of time to set up a tripod and fiddle endlessly with the settings isn't realistic at the moment. When they're a bit older and have a longer attention span or can take themselves off unsupervised, I can look into upgrading once again.

  7. #17
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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    If you are getting deeper in my suggestion is the D7200, the one overriding reason from me on top of all the others is,if needed you can fine tune the AF on the D7XXX cameras to get the best from any lenses you may buy.
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  8. #18
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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Karmann_65 View Post
    There's time yet before I make a final decision but so far I'm leaning towards the D5500 because it'll feel familiar to what I have now in many ways and yet return a better overall IQ.
    ...
    The second shop however had a much better outlook and the advice was generally fair enough. However they no longer sell the D5500 as it's been superseeded by the D5600 (at 150 more expensive). I asked what the difference was between the two and that's where the information all got a bit vague. When I mentioned the D7200 I got told they're phasing that out also as it too has been superseeded, by the D7500 (450 more expensive, body only).
    ... All this collective information and I'm left feeling the D5500 or D5600 will suit my purposes better.
    From how you describe your photographic uses and likes, I sense that you are making the right choice. In most shooting situations, the image quality you get from a D5500 and a D7200 are all but identical. This is not to refute any of the comments others made about the advantages of the D7200 - it is a much more capable camera if you know how (and like) to get 'deeper into the innards'. At the same time, the D5500 has some features, such as the swivel screen you already mentioned, you might miss on the D7200.

    Don't let the camera shop tech talk fool you. The D5600 adds ONE feature over the D5500, something called SnapBridge, a Nikon technology for transferring pictures to your smartphone that many people consider useless. I would go as far as saying it is a step back from the D5500 because that one still allows you to use a multitude of third-party apps to transfer pictures or control your camera from your smartphone via WiFi, while the D5600 works ONLY with Nikon's own app that has a very limited feature set, to phrase it in a positive way.

    The D7500 does not replace the D7200. These two are similar in many areas but also quite different in some, so they address different needs. I see no reason for you to consider the D7500 at all.

    D5500s still sell new from several shops, definitely from a lot of online retailers like Amazon. Get it while you still can, and have fun with it!
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    Lothar Katz

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  9. #19
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    Re: D3100 upgrade choices

    Following up on this, I'm now the proud owner of a brand new D5500 boxed with kit lens. Importantly, it's not a grey import and comes with a genuine Nikon warranty. Apparently it was bought as a birthday present but the recipient got a new fancy phone at the same time and preferred the camera on that for convenience. So this is a zero frame count camera. They did however kindly charge the battery ahead of my collecting it so I know it all works.

    Can't wait to open it "officially" at Christmas. Best of all it cost less than any "body only" deal I could find, including grey imports.
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