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  1. #21
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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    Quote Originally Posted by Blade Canyon View Post
    Does the processor have any effect on achieving higher ISO? Or is that more a factor of the sensor?

    Like the OP, I've got the NAS and am jonesing for a body with better low-light capabilities (and an excuse to buy a new toy). The D500 does look interesting, as does the D7500, but I'm holding out for whatever new FX body Nikon brings out. My current bodies are the D800 and the D600 (and a D40x!).
    What's your thoughts on the D800 today? Yesterday's great camera? If you lost it and were to replace it, would you buy another D800 like that refurb with 48 clicks on it, or ???


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    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX: AF 50 1.8,
    AFS 60 2.8, AFS 85 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    and a collection of Lensbabies
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4X & 2X TC
    Godox AD360, AD200, 2 x V860, V350 SB-400, 600 & 700, Metz 58 AF2,
    and Benro Transfunctional Travel Angel to watch over me



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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortkentdad View Post
    What's your thoughts on the D800 today? Yesterday's great camera? If you lost it and were to replace it, would you buy another D800 like that refurb with 48 clicks on it, or ???
    I got a used D810 for 2500.00 $ Cad with only 13,000 actuations. If you're not in a hurry, why rush a decision you're not certain of yet? Take your time, shop around and wait for the right time to buy. Just saying.
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  3. #23
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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortkentdad View Post
    What's your thoughts on the D800 today? Yesterday's great camera? If you lost it and were to replace it, would you buy another D800 like that refurb with 48 clicks on it, or ???
    I can't imagine anyone not being happy with a D800.......even in 10 years from now unless some crazy new technology comes along. Holographic camera's?

  4. #24
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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    Taking it from another angle, which subjects do you want to shoot with more compelling images? And what difference do you expect from another camera.
    You mentioned weddings, that is one area that a D810 is a little better due to a quieter shutter, but either of your current cameras has plenty of DR, and AF for a wedding, Great wedding shots have almost no connection to the camera features. Being in the right place at the correct moment, composition skills, posing for formals and being well rehearsed. Attending a good wedding photographers workshop or being a second shooter for a wedding shooter whose work you admire Is going to help create more desirable photos than any camera change.
    Each of the cameras you narrowed your choice to has a different strong point, but those strong point only become an advantage when pushing things to extremes, for everything else any camera has enough credibility.
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  5. #25
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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    Quote Originally Posted by spb_stan View Post
    Taking it from another angle, which subjects do you want to shoot with more compelling images? And what difference do you expect from another camera.
    You mentioned weddings, that is one area that a D810 is a little better due to a quieter shutter, but either of your current cameras has plenty of DR, and AF for a wedding, Great wedding shots have almost no connection to the camera features. Being in the right place at the correct moment, composition skills, posing for formals and being well rehearsed. Attending a good wedding photographers workshop or being a second shooter for a wedding shooter whose work you admire Is going to help create more desirable photos than any camera change.
    Each of the cameras you narrowed your choice to has a different strong point, but those strong point only become an advantage when pushing things to extremes, for everything else any camera has enough credibility.
    Weddings is one thing I've never done and have not desire to get into - way too much stress for a small 'on-the-side' retirement business. I'm happier with family portraits, kids and pets portraits. Been asked to do some product photography going to give that a go.

    My landscapes so far have been for my own enjoyment. But I do enjoy them.

    I listened to a youtube of the shutter sound of the D800 vs D810, didn't sound that much louder but who knows how accurate the youtubers audio was. I do read that the D800 was known for its shutter sound.

    I'm having second thoughts now on whether I should have cancelled the D800 I had on hold. . . .

    The D800 was going to give me the option of 36mp image when I might want that. As John Thomas said above he 'can't imagine anyone not being happy with a D800 even 10 years from now" . . . I've heard people still praising their D3 workhorse ... (I also passed on a used one of those for about $1,800).

    But for detailed portraits - demanding pet portraits of black hair dogs, and kids with flawless baby complexions. ... and of course my tendency to mega-crop when I can't get close enough to the bird with my 200-500 lens. But my D610 does allow amazing cropping - would the D800 allow even more?

    I also know that I have some disposable income today while I'm working, once I retire I'll be on a much tighter budget ... yes a responsible person would just put the money into a savings account and buy later ... I'm not that person.
    FKD Alberta Canada

    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX: AF 50 1.8,
    AFS 60 2.8, AFS 85 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    and a collection of Lensbabies
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4X & 2X TC
    Godox AD360, AD200, 2 x V860, V350 SB-400, 600 & 700, Metz 58 AF2,
    and Benro Transfunctional Travel Angel to watch over me

  6. #26
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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    For family portraits and any high res applications the D800 is hard to beat. The D810 is about 4 db lower in level, measurable but hardly noticeable in sound level. But the two have a different sound and for most people the sound seems softer, less mechanical. For studio, shutter is not an issue.
    The ART 50 and the 85 1.8G are your go to lenses, both very competent. If you don't have flash controllers, folding soft-boxes, grids, snoots, multiple flashes or strobes, C stand, light stands maybe background, a large silver/gold reflector, gels, and other very reasonably priced items that is where the best return on investment is You can get nice 9 foot stands for $25/ea, 80x80c collapsing soft-boxes for $50 from GODOX(great for location shooting folds downs to a small cash the size of a woman's purse, a strip box with grid for about $100, a flash controller for $50, transceivers for $49 each, and some dumb non-TTL flash units for $80-90 each or used SB-28s for $25, various clamps and adapters.
    That would be a good portable studio so you can shoot in their homes or outdoors. Backgrounds should be simple and white is the most flexible, easy to use for seamless, High Key, and easy to tint in post processing and much preferred for product or catalog sessions. Pure white background works best for web catalogs
    If you go with studio strobes, ever the low cost Alien Bees, like the 800 watt, it is less portable and power source becomes a problem outdoors. A couple speedlights can generate enough light to balance a setting sun and are surprisingly powerful. I use 6 with Yongnuo YN-622n transceivers and YN-622 TX LCD display controller that have proven to be reliable and cheap. I hardly ever use my strobes now.
    I would encourage you to invest just a few hundred first in versatile lighting and if you still want to buy a camera, the D800 (and D810) are the best portrait cameras Nikon has ever made.

  7. #27
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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    Quote Originally Posted by spb_stan View Post
    For family portraits and any high res applications the D800 is hard to beat. The D810 is about 4 db lower in level, measurable but hardly noticeable in sound level. But the two have a different sound and for most people the sound seems softer, less mechanical. For studio, shutter is not an issue.
    You are making me rethink my decision to pass on that nearly new refurbished D800 . . . Best for portraits you say . . . hmmmmm

    The ART 50 and the 85 1.8G are your go to lenses, both very competent. If you don't have flash controllers, folding soft-boxes, grids, snoots, multiple flashes or strobes, C stand, light stands maybe background, a large silver/gold reflector, gels, and other very reasonably priced items that is where the best return on investment is You can get nice 9 foot stands for $25/ea, 80x80c collapsing soft-boxes for $50 from GODOX(great for location shooting folds downs to a small cash the size of a woman's purse, a strip box with grid for about $100, a flash controller for $50, transceivers for $49 each, and some dumb non-TTL flash units for $80-90 each or used SB-28s for $25, various clamps and adapters. That would be a good portable studio so you can shoot in their homes or outdoors. Backgrounds should be simple and white is the most flexible, easy to use for seamless, High Key, and easy to tint in post processing and much preferred for product or catalog sessions. Pure white background works best for web catalogs If you go with studio strobes, ever the low cost Alien Bees, like the 800 watt, it is less portable and power source becomes a problem outdoors. A couple speedlights can generate enough light to balance a setting sun and are surprisingly powerful. I use 6 with Yongnuo YN-622n transceivers and YN-622 TX LCD display controller that have proven to be reliable and cheap. I hardly ever use my strobes now.

    I would encourage you to invest just a few hundred first in versatile lighting


    My current lighting gear includes the Godox AD-360 barebulb flash and two AD-860 lithium strobes, both controllable by the Godox X1 trigger allowing full control of light output from the top of the camera. I also have two Godox receiver units that work with my D600, D700 and an old Vivitar Auto-Thyristor 2800-D and sort of with my Metz 58. And a reasonable collection of softboxes and umbrellas and stands. Considering proper strobes - not Ailen Bees as they are not sold in Canada and importing them is expensive, rather buy from a dealer I can go to, either Godox or Elinchrom set up, but leaning more towards battery pack system like the AD-600 by Godox ($1,000 CDN). I will be spending more on lights - maybe portable strobes, maybe continuous, might be studio strobe if I can be convinced it is portable enough....


    and if you still want to buy a camera, the D800 (and D810) are the best portrait cameras Nikon has ever made.
    Dang, you are making this hard - tempted to just call and order that D800 - the D810 is almost twice the price and I don't think is that much better for what I want.
    FKD Alberta Canada

    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX: AF 50 1.8,
    AFS 60 2.8, AFS 85 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    and a collection of Lensbabies
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4X & 2X TC
    Godox AD360, AD200, 2 x V860, V350 SB-400, 600 & 700, Metz 58 AF2,
    and Benro Transfunctional Travel Angel to watch over me

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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortkentdad View Post
    I also know that I have some disposable income today while I'm working, once I retire I'll be on a much tighter budget ... yes a responsible person would just put the money into a savings account and buy later ... I'm not that person.
    Do what makes you happy. There might not be a later.
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  9. #29
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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    New Camera?  D800 - D750 - D500
    Quote Originally Posted by Blade Canyon View Post
    To be honest, my D600 is every bit as good as I need. Here are two shots from a night of challenging photography at the ballet. One is the D600 and one is the D800. I picked these because they have the same shutter speed, same aperture, and same ISO, and they were shot with the exact same lens! On that night, I probably did over 300 clicks on each body, and the D800 definitely felt like a much more professional body when used hard and put away wet. Still, the final images from the D600 are just as good for anything I would need. Shots like these are the reason I would love a new body with better low-light abilities.

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    What a wonderful comparison - with great shots.

    Given that part of my plan is to have two cameras in case one fails, having two with similar capacity is a good thing no?

    And if I need a more weather resilient one the D800 would be the one to take out on a wet day. I'm really not sure how the weather sealing varies and of course depends on the lens too. And a nearly new D800 will last a long time.

    Between your post and Stan's I'm rethinking this decision.

    The D500 would be wonderful - had I not bought the D7100 just last year. ... and then I'd have a DX backed up by an FX (and a DX if I keep the D7100). . . .

    Obviously switching between the two bodies works for you. Some have said get the D750 as most of the buttons are like the D610 and D7100 ... not a deciding factor for me at all.

    Sigh ... another night of thinking about cameras instead of sleeping
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    FKD Alberta Canada

    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX: AF 50 1.8,
    AFS 60 2.8, AFS 85 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    and a collection of Lensbabies
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4X & 2X TC
    Godox AD360, AD200, 2 x V860, V350 SB-400, 600 & 700, Metz 58 AF2,
    and Benro Transfunctional Travel Angel to watch over me

  10. #30
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    Re: New Camera? D800 - D750 - D500

    Interesting tidbit - looking at used cameras on Henry's.com (Ontario Canada stores) and notice that a used D800 commands higher price than used D750 ... says something. Not much more, but more.
    FKD Alberta Canada

    D500, D610, D7100, D5100

    Nikkor FX: AF 50 1.8,
    AFS 60 2.8, AFS 85 1.8, AFD 105 2.8, AFS 70-200 2.8 VRI, AFS 200-500 5.6.
    Nikkor DX: AFS 16-85 VR, AFS VR 55-300, AFS 35 1.8.
    Tamron: SP 24-70 2.8, SP 70-300 4-5.6, SP 17-35 2.8-4
    Tokina: ATX 11-20 2.8, Sigma: Art 50 1.4
    and a collection of Lensbabies
    Kenko 300 DGX 1.4X & 2X TC
    Godox AD360, AD200, 2 x V860, V350 SB-400, 600 & 700, Metz 58 AF2,
    and Benro Transfunctional Travel Angel to watch over me





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