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    Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    Sorry to be a PITA, but perhaps the easiest way to help me understand is by you showing me a comparison of the same object in full frame vs crop, and why it is better. Again, I am not trying to stir up anything here- I just am curious as to why many people say that full frame is better.
    I do realise the basic differences such as DOF and light gathering ability, but my d7000 looked better than the sony a7 in the previous post. This surprised me.

    Many thanks,


    Adam


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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    Nikon D7000 Review: Digital Photography Review

    On this page, compare Nikon D4 and D7000 at ISO 1600 or 3200. Difference would be obvious.
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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    Thanks Shamitv, wil have a look.

    Regards,

    Adam

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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by shamitv View Post
    Nikon D7000 Review: Digital Photography Review

    On this page, compare Nikon D4 and D7000 at ISO 1600 or 3200. Difference would be obvious.
    I actually haven't seen that tool before - thanks!
    John

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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    Simple File Sharing and Storage.

    download and look at the exif file for yourself.

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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    Looks like the D3s has an advantage over the D4 at 6400. Surprised to see that.

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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by adamandbean View Post
    Sorry to be a PITA, but perhaps the easiest way to help me understand is by you showing me a comparison of the same object in full frame vs crop, and why it is better. Again, I am not trying to stir up anything here- I just am curious as to why many people say that full frame is better.
    I do realise the basic differences such as DOF and light gathering ability, but my d7000 looked better than the sony a7 in the previous post. This surprised me.

    Many thanks,


    Adam

    You might not be getting it yet. Just open any old previous image in your photo editer, make a duplicate, and then crop one of them to be 2/3 the size of first. Then zoom to enlarge the small one to show same size as the large one, side by side.

    If assuming same lens is used (as true in this photo), this is exactly what DX does compared to FX. It is a crop, nothing more, nothing less... a crop. This crop and enlargement shows the same telephoto effect we imagine we see in DX.

    We do choose different lenses to accommodate the different cropped view we see. And these different lenses do react accordingly. For example, 24mm is rather wide angle on FX, but is only slightly wide, a more normal view for DX. Cropped DX has to use a 16mm lens to see the same wide view as uncropped FX with 24mm. And a 16mm lens is becoming more extreme optically, likely more distortions, more diffraction, etc. Depth of field is different too.

    Sensors vary widely too, and sensor pixel density can be a factor (resolution and noise). These have been FX advantages (and the wide angle views too).
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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    As Zack says, neither camera has any feeling, vision and can not "feel" moment. Neither one knows anything about composition either. The one who has all of this, is the idiot behind the camera and that is you. You want to argue, or should i say bicker, about FF vs Crop sensors, you're wasting your time and energy. If you want to argue about real differences, compare an 8X10 to an APS-C sensor. You may actually be able to win that one. Watch the video and pay particular attention to what he says at 10:00. FF vs Crop is futile, lame, boring and so passe.
    Last edited by AC016; 09-21-2014 at 04:33 PM.
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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    reminds me of jack black, bloody annoying pointy stick though!
    Thanks for sharing
    If in doubt, shoot it

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    Re: Please show me samples why full frame is better than crop? Take the challenge

    Depends on what you do and why you do it.

    I suspect that a majority of photography committed in the world of the DX and FX formats could be done with either and a plethora of it could be done with a CX or smaller format.

    Not saying that there are not images that would be better on one or the other, or that there are not conditions where FX would certainly have an edge. But if FX is better for everything simply because it's bigger, then why stop with the relatively small FX format.

    Would every FX camera perform better in every situation than every DX camera???????

    Depends on what you do and why you do it.
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