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    Fill flash and long lenses

    I just bought a MagMod Wildlife kit to use with my 200-500 lens on the D500. The flash will be a YN685. What settings do you recommend for shooting small birds coming into a feeding spot. I will be positioned in a blind about 15 to 20 feet from the target landing zone. Am I limited to a maximum shutter speed of 1/200 and Manual or TTL or should I be using HSS with higher shutter speeds?


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    Re: Fill flash and long lenses

    Since you're gonna be locked down with a tripod mostly and waiting for birds to hit the "landing zone"... That gives you plenty of time to take a few manual shots, dial-in the exposure, and wait.... At that point, I'd think, sitting back with a sammich and beer, and a remote trigger... I'd just wait and do everything manual... If you want, and the targets are jumpin' around.... you could do the same setup and explore HSS... If the "landing zone" area is subject to relatively changing lighting conditions...then try the TTL...
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    Fill flash and long lenses
    I like blasting the birds at my maximum sync speed and not 'fill' flash. I set my d7200 at 1/320 and f8. Iso anywhere from 100 to 400. I prefer gloomy days because I can get blurry images from bright ambient light exposure at 1/320. On sunny days, I have to up the shutter speed but then you are into the pulsing hss modes and lose flash power.
    This shot was with my Sigma 150-600 and yn685 about 20 feet away. Handheld, but sometimes I kick back with the tripod and remote. That background is not the sky, actually my car's windshield. There was some sun in this shot, but I didn't get any noticeable shake problems from it.

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    Re: Fill flash and long lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by nickt View Post
    I like blasting the birds at my maximum sync speed and not 'fill' flash. I set my d7200 at 1/320 and f8. Iso anywhere from 100 to 400. I prefer gloomy days because I can get blurry images from bright ambient light exposure at 1/320. On sunny days, I have to up the shutter speed but then you are into the pulsing hss modes and lose flash power.
    This shot was with my Sigma 150-600 and yn685 about 20 feet away. Handheld, but sometimes I kick back with the tripod and remote. That background is not the sky, actually my car's windshield. There was some sun in this shot, but I didn't get any noticeable shake problems from it.

    Fill flash and long lenses-d73_0105.jpg
    Was the YN685 in Manual or TTL?
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  5. #5
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    Re: Fill flash and long lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by canuck257 View Post
    Was the YN685 in Manual or TTL?
    iTTL, forgot to mention that. I'm not smart with flash at all but I'm having fun with this.
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    I must have a really good camera.

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    Re: Fill flash and long lenses

    I use use the 685 with my D500 without the magmod. I have ordered it!
    I use the flash in manual with the camera set for 1/250s, which lets me run higher shutter speeds.
    I start at about 1/16 power on the flash and my normal shutter speed, say 1/2000 for hummingbirds.
    I start with the ISO needed without the flash. Auto ISO doesn't work well for me here.
    I'll then adjust the flash power and ISO to achieve the desired effect.
    The beautiful thing about these low power settings, up to about 1/8 power is, it recycles so fast it can keep up with the D500's 10 frames per second!
    I have been using it like this without the Magmod from about 12-30 feet of distance. Magmod should increase this distance or allow a lower power setting on the flash.
    It takes a few practice shots to get it exactly where you want but, it adds the fill flash and catch light to the eyes without looking like it was flashed.
    Last edited by Chris@sabor; 04-07-2018 at 07:36 PM.
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    Re: Fill flash and long lenses

    One thing I found with the MagMod on the 685. The detents on the tilting head are not strong enough to hold the extra weight of the MagMod so the head droops to the lowest setting. I found this to be too low for 500mm so I made a wedge out of a block pencil eraser and taped it to the top edge of the front of the flash unit.

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    Re: Fill flash and long lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris@sabor View Post
    I use use the 685 with my D500 without the magmod. I have ordered it!
    I use the flash in manual with the camera set for 1/320*, which lets me run higher shutter speeds.
    I start at about 1/16 power on the flash and my normal shutter speed, say 1/2000 for hummingbirds.
    I start with the ISO needed without the flash. Auto ISO doesn't work well for me here.
    I'll then adjust the flash power and ISO to achieve the desired effect.
    The beautiful thing about these low power settings, up to about 1/8 power is, it recycles so fast it can keep up with the D500's 10 frames per second!
    I have been using it like this without the Magmod from about 12-30 feet of distance. Magmod should increase this distance or allow a lower power setting on the flash.
    It takes a few practice shots to get it exactly where you want but, it adds the fill flash and catch light to the eyes without looking like it was flashed.
    How do you guys get 1/320* shutter speed on the D500? Mine only goes up to 1/250s (Auto FP). Am I missing something???
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    AF-S VR Nikkor 200-500mm f/5.6 E-ED
    AF-S VR Nikkor 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED
    AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 G ED VRII
    Nikkor TC-1.4 III
    Kenko N-AF 1.4x Teleplus Pro 300


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  9. #9
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    Re: Fill flash and long lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by canuck257 View Post
    How do you guys get 1/320* shutter speed on the D500? Mine only goes up to 1/250s (Auto FP). Am I missing something???
    Good question. On my d7200, 1/250 is max regular sync and 1/320 auto FP is also and option. I thought I was getting up to a full power single blast on 1/320, but now I am not 100% sure. It does act like I can get full flash power on 1/320 if its needed. Its for sure more flash power than I would get at say 1/1250 shutter speed. So I'm going to have to experiment. I have to try the method Chris described too.

    On the d500, you should be able to set whatever shutter speed you want if your E1 menu is set for 1/250 Auto FP and a compatible flash is attached. Not sure at what speed your power becomes limited due to the Auto FP behavior. Probably above 1/250.
    Last edited by nickt; 04-06-2018 at 09:33 PM.
    I must have a really good camera.

  10. #10
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    Re: Fill flash and long lenses

    Fill flash and long lenses
    I am using the Better Beamer not the Magmod, but I believe they are similar products.
    Where I live, we have hills all around us and have plenty of big trees, so the birds are very rarely in sunlight, they are ussually in heavy shade.
    Without the help from flash I struggle to get any useable shots as I need to go to iso3200 and above. I use the D7100, Tamron 150-600 G1, handheld.
    After much trial and error, I have found what works for me is to go fully manual, set the shutter speed on 1/200 or 1/250, aperture where your lens is the sharpest ( mine is from f8 - f11 ) then use iso to expose for the background ( sometimes the background will have to be a bit dark because you obviously dont want the iso going too high ) then use the flash power settings to get the right amount of fill light on the bird, this can take a bit of trial and error. I ussually start at 1/8th and see what it looks like ( my usual range is anywhere from 1/16 to 1/2 ) When you start getting up to 1/2 or full power it starts to look unnatural.

    These are a couple I took the other day of a Kookaburra in my backyard. They were either 1/8 or 1/16 flash power. The extra light from the flash really helps to bring out the detail on the bird that I just cant get without some fill light help.

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    Fill flash and long lenses-dsc_5781.jpg

    EDIT- I just noticed in the exif, the exp comp says -.33, because I was in manual this wount come into effect. I just forgot to reset to 0 from when I was on I was on A priority or auto iso the last time.
    Last edited by Ironwood; 04-06-2018 at 11:27 PM.
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