question regarding YN 622 and non nikon/yongnuo flashes

sandpiper

New member
Hello,

is anyone using the yongnuo yn-622 triggers with anything other than the recommended flash units (which are...yn465/yn467/yn468(ll)/ yn565/yn568 and sb400/sb600/sb700/sb800/sb900/sb910)

for example the Triopo TR568EX (is anyone using one of these flashes at all?)

cheers,

Rob.
 

§am

Senior Member
Sorry, only used mine with SB700's.
Tried with an SB400 but had issues and not had time to go back and investigate why.
 

§am

Senior Member
I put the SB400 on one of the receivers (YN-622N) and it would not fire when tested from the trigger (YN-622N-TX), but the SB700 on another receiver fired fine at the same time.

Pressing the test button on the receiver fired the SB400 fine, and I can't remember precisely, but I think the SB700 fired too.

Like I said, I need to run some more tests though as I was in a hurry and hadn't had the kit long before i needed to use it.
Also need to check how the shutter triggering worked when using YN-622N as the controller and the YN-622N-TX as the shutter release on the camera.

In fact, give me until after the weekend, and I'll try and put up some form of 'review'
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
My friend uses a tripo flash. Not sure thr model though. Ive shot it with the metz 58af2.
Im considering getting some tripo myself because of their low price but breaking out from the yongnuo or nikon selection isnt wise. Too many mfr isnt healthy imo.
 

sandpiper

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Also need to check how the shutter triggering worked when using YN-622N as the controller and the YN-622N-TX as the shutter release on the camera.

Great little feature this!.... i actually managed to fry a brand new 622 by putting a cobra flash on it, would no longer fire any of my flashes but it still worked as a remote shutter :)
 

sandpiper

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My friend uses a tripo flash. Not sure thr model though. Ive shot it with the metz 58af2.
Im considering getting some tripo myself because of their low price but breaking out from the yongnuo or nikon selection isnt wise. Too many mfr isnt healthy imo.

Thanks for this... are you or your friend able to control the power of the flashes via the commander or does it just trigger what ever you preset at the flash?

Cheers,

Rob
 

§am

Senior Member
Great little feature this!.... i actually managed to fry a brand new 622 by putting a cobra flash on it, would no longer fire any of my flashes but it still worked as a remote shutter :)

Did you have to do anything silly to get it to work?

I put the YN-622N-TX on the hotshoe of the body, control cord into body, then used the test button on the YN-622N to try and remote release the shutter.
All it would do is focus, but never release the shutter.
If I took the TX off the hot shoe, it would release the shutter as soon as I pressed the test button (ie. would not focus first).
 

sandpiper

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Did you have to do anything silly to get it to work?

i'm sure you got the setup right... it's as straight forward as attaching the TX to the camera, connecting them with the cable provided and pressing the test button on any of the active 622's...that initiates focus then releasing it fires it.

maybe check your connections for a bent pin or something or perhaps a factory reset will sort it (see instruction manual) other than that it sounds like a return! :(
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Thanks for this... are you or your friend able to control the power of the flashes via the commander or does it just trigger what ever you preset at the flash?

Cheers,

Rob

sorry, my bad. didnt know the model number is for a commander. he uses SB910's as the on camera flash for both D4s he uses. he uses the triopo as an off camera flash. I personally have given up on using any third party flash on camera anymore. with slave or no slave on camera. just nikons sit on my camera.3rd party flashes? only off camera.
just too much hit or miss with exposure with 3rd party flashes, so Ive given up.
 

sandpiper

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just nikons sit on my camera.3rd party flashes? only off camera.

i think that is a good system to adopt :) but what control do you have over the metz?
i'm assuming TTL is unavailable but have you got manual control over the metz from the commander (are you using the 622TX?)

cheers,

Rob.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
I put the SB400 on one of the receivers (YN-622N) and it would not fire when tested from the trigger (YN-622N-TX), but the SB700 on another receiver fired fine at the same time.

Pressing the test button on the receiver fired the SB400 fine, and I can't remember precisely, but I think the SB700 fired too.



The SB-400 was not a Yongnuo 622 issue.

The problem with the SB-400 (and SB-300 and SB-500) is that it has no LCD, and thus has no menu and no buttons - no way to control it. Instead, it uses the camera menu (to set TTL, or set Manual level), so it must be connected to the camera to work at all.

I'm surprised it fired from the Reset button, but it could not work "fine" then. It was not programmed for mode or power level or anything. It is simply not an off-camera flash model. The hot shoe extension cords (SC-28) is as off-camera as it can get.


EDIT: I should retract this, and stand corrected, because the story is that the YN-622 manual lists the SB-400 as compatible. Hard to imagine, and I cannot confirm that, but the 622 must be special, and able to communicate with the flash the same way the camera does? The flash is NOT going to work as slave in any other conventional way however.
 
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§am

Senior Member
Thanks Wayne.
I did suspect, that as a 'dumb' flash unit it may be just too simple to use with the triggers, but I guess secretly was hoping it would at least fire even if there was no thought put into it, akin to it fires and thats it :)

I suppose it fired from the test button simply because the control outputs were correct to fire it... but then that's where I got hopeful, that if the unit can test fire the flash, then surely as a triggering system it would just fire :)
 

WayneF

Senior Member
Well, I may be wrong. I discover that the 622 manual is said to list the SB-400 as compatible. So perhaps the 622 can do the same thing the camera hot shoe does? If you get it going, let us know.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
i think that is a good system to adopt :) but what control do you have over the metz?
i'm assuming TTL is unavailable but have you got manual control over the metz from the commander (are you using the 622TX?)

cheers,

Rob.

I dont use TTL with the 622n. Ive used it a few times and its just not accurate. their flashes in ttl arent accurate either. for me. many say otherwise. the nikons arent all that great as well but much much better. if one thing I can say about technology that hasnt advanced in cameras, its camera metering and flash metering. very archaic. same bad metering with D4s as F5. shoot a white dress and it comes out grey. shoot a black tux and it comes out grey. it can can shoot 10fps,and a shutter lifespan to 400000 but cant assess a scene and meter properly. the nonsense nikon tried to sell everyone is that it has thousands of "scenes" in the camera. bullkaka.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
The funny thing is, this is of course exactly the CORRECT result from Any reflected meter. Has always been true.

How Camera Light Meters Work

The skill that photographers learn is how to deal with that. :)

thanks for the education. Im aware of how meters work. if nikon says the cameras have "scenes built in" then it should scene for a white dress, or a black tux, or backlit people. I dont buy into the excuse that this how a flash meter works. with all the technology advancements in the world nikon cant push for better metering. let alone flash metering which is horrible from horizontal to vertical shots. time to advance. but then again we see nikons situation financially and stock status.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
thanks for the education. Im aware of how meters work. if nikon says the cameras have "scenes built in" then it should scene for a white dress, or a black tux, or backlit people. I dont buy into the excuse that this how a flash meter works. with all the technology advancements in the world nikon cant push for better metering. let alone flash metering which is horrible from horizontal to vertical shots. time to advance. but then again we see nikons situation financially and stock status.


You surely know that a silicon chip does not have intelligence to recognize a white dress or a black tux. The photographer knows, and should handle it, but the meter just sees a blob of light. I don't notice horizontal to vertical differences myself, unless the scene changes (which ambient might, when you rotate the view). I don't follow the thousands of scenes business, I see no evidence of it. But at best if it does work, bottom line is we don't know what it will do. I do see that Matrix does shift undesirably when there are stray bright areas towards the frame edge. All that is about ambient, not flash, but instead, I use Center Weighted metering, I can just about understand what will happen then. :)

My complaint with the system is the D lens distance interference with direct TTL BL flash. This probably gives trouble to event photographers. Good premise, except the zoom lenses obviously don't know distance, they get it wrong. There ought to be a menu to turn D lens distance off. For example, in that case, FV Lock does turn it off, and so often meters better than without FV Lock. And TTL does turn it off, and often meters better than TTL BL, etc. Sometimes drastically different.

But we can complain, or we can just learn to use it. The latter actually works better :)

But yes, there are some things to know, and reflective metering does require attention, being somewhat less than point&shoot. But which is just how it works, point&shoot is just a novice fantasy anyway. :)

At least for fixed situations, if you want real good flash metering, use an incident meter, which meters the light directly, independent of the scene, but from the subjects position.
 
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rocketman122

Senior Member
You surely know that a silicon chip does not have intelligence to recognize a white dress or a black tux. The photographer knows, and should handle it, but the meter just sees a blob of light. I don't notice horizontal to vertical differences myself, unless the scene changes (which ambient might, when you rotate the view). I don't follow the thousands of scenes business, I see no evidence of it. But at best if it does work, bottom line is we don't know what it will do. I do see that Matrix does shift undesirably when there are stray bright areas towards the frame edge. All that is about ambient, not flash, but instead, I use Center Weighted metering, I can just about understand what will happen then. :)

My complaint with the system is the D lens distance interference with direct TTL BL flash. This probably gives trouble to event photographers. Good premise, except the zoom lenses obviously don't know distance, they get it wrong. There ought to be a menu to turn D lens distance off. For example, in that case, FV Lock often meters different than without it. And TTL different than TTL BL, etc. Sometimes drastically different.

But we can complain, or we can just learn to use it. The latter actually works better :)

But yes, there are some things to know, and reflective metering does require attention, being somewhat less than point&shoot. But which is just how it works, point&shoot is just a novice fantasy anyway. :)

At least for fixed situations, if you want real good flash metering, use an incident meter, which meters the light directly, independent of the scene, but from the subjects position.


im tired of the lecturing Wayne. im no pro beginner enthusiast hobbyist or semi pro. Ive been in the industry for many years as a pro. its tiring. you saw the picture of my 8 flashes with tons of slaves. I know about flash and metering thank you. I know all about those great things youre mentioning. to me, bottom line, metering/flash metering hasnt advanced one bit. shoot horizontal youll get one exposure, shoot vertical it will be something else. it doesnt meter well and if they can make a shutter do 400000 clicks. 10 fps, low noise to 20000 iso, metering can be pushed forward as well. its still the same bad system from the pictures I see.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
Don't take anything personal. :) You seem to imagine that I know of your vast experience, and also that I am only speaking to you. Sorry, but I don't know anything about you, other than your post here. I thought my response was appropriate for the situation, most pros do seem able to manage. :)

And I like to imagine I am publicly contributing to the forum in case many readers might be interested and might want to participate. It's never just about you. :)
 
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