Fire Yongnuo 560iii with transmitter

Always overkill

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Hi everyone,

I'm looking at a flash for indoor baby pictures and the yongnuo seems to fit the bill. My question is with the transmitter will the flash fire when off camera without using the built in flash on my d610

As as you can tell I'm not a fan of flash and don't know much about it, other than it's desperately needed to bounce some light off the ceiling for these indoor pictures.

thanks all
 

Horoscope Fish

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Yes it will (fire the flash remotely without needing to fire the on-board flash) and maybe I'm not understanding your situation, but...

Wouldn't it be simpler and more convenient to mount the flash on the hot-shoe and bounce the flash off the ceiling instead?

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Always overkill

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Excellent Thank you. I do plan to just fire from hotshoe most of the time and aim at ceiling or wall (depending), I'm just thinking if I'm buying the flash might as well plan to be able to fire off camera too.
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
Okay, that makes sense. The 560iii is a fully manual flash unit, though; is that what you want? Because there are other Yongnuo flashes that will work as off-camera slaves with a wireless transmitter, that are also automated, like the 565EXN.

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Always overkill

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I was looking at 565 but I use 50mm 1.8g, so only flash is single shot baby pics or to light up subject in bright sun. One req low flash boost the other high power. What's your thoughts? More natural looking light the better.

Another reason to have flash, I'm hoping to have option to get f stop to around 11 for some detail pictures and with current light max I'm able to get is 2.8...
 

ShootRaw

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Shoot off camera flash for best results...Get you a RF-603 v2 trigger to fire the 560III flash..You can be a lot more creative via radio trigger and flash off camera..
 

WayneF

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Hi everyone,

I'm looking at a flash for indoor baby pictures and the yongnuo seems to fit the bill. My question is with the transmitter will the flash fire when off camera without using the built in flash on my d610

The 560 III has menus and options.

Its S1 slave mode can be a regular optical slave (manual flash), triggered by the flash of an other flash, including the D610 internal flash if it is in Manual mode. (only in Manual mode). No Commander. This 560 model will NOT trigger from the Commander.

Or the III model has a radio trigger in it (II model does not), which can be triggered from a Yongnuo RF-603 transmitter on the camera hot shoe. That would be without the internal flash.

Or you could use a cable between flash and camera. Two choices.
A PC sync cable, or a hot shoe extension cable (Nikon SC-28 or SC-17, for example).
That would be without the internal flash.

I also think you should consider a TTL flash, to take advantage of the nifty things the D610 will do for you. I mean, you paid your money, you ought to consider gear compatible with its neat features.
For example, the Yongnuo YN565EX is about $100 (see Amazon), and (except for the radio trigger, which you could add for about $32, see Amazon. This is two of them, one also on the flash, since this flash model does not have radio built into it). This 565 will do anything the 560 will do (manual flash if you want it), plus it can also do TTL (either on hot shoe, including bounce, or it has SL slave mode that can be triggered remotely by the D610 Commander (wireless, but using the internal flash, which can be disabled from contributing light into the picture). Entire new worlds are available there. This 565 also works with Nikons Balanced flash mode, which includes automatic fill flash in bright sun (as opposed to your trying to find and set proper flash power level for every manual shot). I mean, its only $30 more... to a D610 owner? :)

If you might want HSS mode too, that is the 568 model, more expensive.

If you don't know much about flash, TTL flash is point&shoot automatic flash exposure (like a compact camera, except now you can control it), whereas Manual flash means it HAS TO BE YOU that properly adjusts the flash exposure for every picture. Both modes are good stuff, and commonly used, but Manual is VERY manual. TTL is about $30 more, but it can make a really huge difference.
Here is a 565 review: Review of the Yongnuo YN565EX Speedlight
 
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Horoscope Fish

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I was looking at 565 but I use 50mm 1.8g, so only flash is single shot baby pics or to light up subject in bright sun. One req low flash boost the other high power. What's your thoughts? More natural looking light the better.

Another reason to have flash, I'm hoping to have option to get f stop to around 11 for some detail pictures and with current light max I'm able to get is 2.8...
Well I guess my point is that the 565EX will work in both Manual *and* TTL modes; the 560iii will work ONLY in Manual. Both units will work off-camera via a wireless trigger. If you want a fully manual flash, the 560iii is the way to go. If you want to use Manual settings but still have/be able to use TTL when you want, get the 565EX. Either unit will have plenty of output power for what you want. Working at f/11 should not be a problem with either flash unit but final results, obviously, will depend on things like ambient light, ISO, distance to subject, et cetera.

EDIT: Oh good, @WayneF is here... Listen to WayneF when it comes to flashes; the man doth know his flash.

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Always overkill

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Thanks everyone for the helpful info. Pricing here in canada is a little worse, but 560 iii is about $80-$85.

I guess for me it comes down to, how hard is it to get right settings manual for 560 iii vs 565 doing it from D610. If it'd easy to adjust and if one setting will work or be close for multiple pictures indoor the 560 may be perfect. If it's hard to adjust or a real pain, 565.

I don't anticipate using flash often as like I said, I really don't like it and don't want to always use flash on baby, it becomes annoying to be the guy constantly lighting up the room lol.
 

WayneF

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I guess for me it comes down to, how hard is it to get right settings manual for 560 iii vs 565 doing it from D610. If it'd easy to adjust and if one setting will work or be close for multiple pictures indoor the 560 may be perfect. If it's hard to adjust or a real pain, 565.

I don't anticipate using flash often as like I said, I really don't like it and don't want to always use flash on baby, it becomes annoying to be the guy constantly lighting up the room lol.

My notion is that flash is how we get the really good pictures. Light is the good stuff. :)

Not sure of your flash experience, but with a manual mode flash...

Flash Power Level depends on the flash to subject distance, for direct flash, the inverse square law. If a different distance or ISO or aperture or modifier like diffusion or umbrella, etc, then you set a different flash power level. Manually, you determine the power somehow (up to you), and set it.. For bounce, a different path and some unknown reflection coefficient, hard to predict (but TTL can meter any of this). And a handheld meter can meter manual flash too, but without one, it is trial and error.

With manual flash, you start by setting about the same power level on the flash that you used last time in a similar situation (distance, aperture, ISO, bounce or not, etc). Say maybe 1/16 power.
You take your picture, and then examine it on the camera rear LCD, and maybe the histogram. Probably it is too dark, or blown out too light.
You correct it by setting a different power level, a little more or less, depending on what you see it needed.
Then you repeat, until you get it right, like you want it.
Or, you could meter the flash, which is also what TTL does.
TTL is all that works while you are chasing kids around. :)

TTL flash, you just point and shoot. Then again, you examine results on rear LCD and maybe histogram, but it will generally be pretty close. Not always perfect, but pretty close. You can tweak it just a bit with Flash Compensation, and try again. With experience, we learn a few situations to know in advance what it will likely need.

If you are in a fixed studio situation, using umbrellas, etc, you probably want manual flash. There is no motion, your umbrellas cannot get up and follow motion. You get all your lights adjusted (normally using a hand held meter to meter each individually), and then they don't change, they stay like you set them.
You could use TTL (only for a couple of lights using Commander), but TTL is always metering, and can change a little, like metering a bit different when subject turns their head. But most prefer manual lights (and a hand held flash meter) in such fixed sessions.

But if you are walking around the room shooting many people, or for sure, if you are chasing fast kids around, you don't have any time, and you will want TTL to meter it for you. You check your first shot, and maybe adjust it slightly, but then the rest of the room is probably good to go, point and shoot flash. The TTL metering will track and keep up with normal little changes. TTL can be pretty wonderful - but sometimes it needs a little of our help too. At first, new users imagine the camera ought to do everything just perfect, and that attitude does not go very far either, not the real world. Photographers must learn to do what they see they need to do to help make the picture perfect. Mostly that is just paying attention, and fixing what they see needs it.

The Nikon top DSLR models (D7100, D610, D810, etc) are quite sophisticated in their flash features (Commander, etc). Just a few more dollars gets all of that use in a YN565EX, it can do whatever your camera can do. And it can do whatever a 560 can do - you can also do manual flash when you choose. A manual flash does not do any of that, it only flashes at the level you tell it to do.

Manual is just right in some fixed situations, an overwhelming choice. But it sucks when the subjects are moving around, and TTL can follow that. It is pretty nice to have the choice. Hope that helps. I hope the $30 difference does not cause you to miss many meals. :)
 
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