what flash to buy?

WayneF

Senior Member
There are always many questions about "Which flash to buy"? This depends of course... Those answering will say "I like this one", or "I have that one", but it seems impossible to answer without knowing how YOU will use YOUR flash? No one ever mentions this when asking. And you may not even know yet, but there is a wide range possible. No actual answers are here. It is more just thinking about how to answer the question.

Level 1 Users. Minimum level, using flash a few times a year, when you have to, and you probably only know to use it on the hot shoe as direct flash, always aimed straight ahead. No experimentation with better methods is considered. Sadly, this is most users by number (maybe not most posting here). They don't know about flash, and don't want to know about flash. They imagine flash is difficult (it is for them). If this is you, the one thing we know is that you don't need a $300 flash. You may spend more, but you likely will never use more. If you are not too sure yet just what shutter speed and aperture do, and always only operate the camera in full Auto mode, then this Level sounds like you. I hope that is not harsh, it seems realistic. If you only want a larger internal flash, the most minimal iTTL flashes (compatible with Nikon iTTL) probably will do it, $100 class. The camera does the TTL metering, the flash only has to respond and flash at the specified power level that the camera sets.

Level 2 Users. Middle of the road, more reasonably and commonly expected of "amateurs" who actually try to learn something about photography. Most of us posting here, hopefully. Your goal is pictures that count, important photos of the kids growing up, etc. You are willing to think about your pictures a little, and certainly will try a little. You will discover the wonderful advantage of hot shoe bounce flash, aimed up at the ceiling for its wonderful soft light properties (but needs a little more flash power). Your goal is GOOD flash pictures, and you're willing to work at it a little. It's really all rather easy, but maybe not obvious at first, so you will have to participate (meaning, giving a little thought to it, not all point&shoot).

Level 3 Users. At the other extreme, you discover how wonderfully neat and useful flash is, how great the lighting can be. Flash is always needed. :) You'll actively try many things, including bounce and off-camera lights (for the great lighting), and umbrellas for portraits, etc. You will love this new world, and you will investigate every path. You don't sit back and wonder about doing it, you wade in and try it. It is all easy, it only requires a little interest. You will want more features and more performance, stuff Level 1 will never even know about.


Now, among the features are some details, about TTL flash mode, Manual flash mode, Commander flash mode, etc.

Level 1 is about TTL flash mode - which is Point & Shoot automatic flash (like compact cameras). However the picture comes out is how it comes out. There are inexpensive flashes that do this, $100 class, even $50. Price probably does add reliability and consistency. If you want to insure good quality and reliability, the Nikon SB-400 flash offers more than you will use, including some opportunity to experiment with more (bounce and manual flash). There are third party flashes even cheaper, and even the bottom end, even $50 class flashes, will work, like here:
On Camera Flashes | B&H Photo Video (sorted by lowest price)
Here is a list of TTL flashes for Nikon on Amazon (sorted by popularity)

(Flash specifications are a bit hard to read, so do look for satisfied user ratings there, the five stars and comments about features. On both B&H and Amazon. You will know a lot more after reading more user comments, but careful, not everyone knows what they are talking about :) )
The wording can vary slightly, but the description should say "automatic iTTL flash for Nikon cameras". Some just say TTL instead of iTTL, same thing now, they mean automatic point&shoot flash. "Compatible with Nikon cameras" is important to see.

Level 2 needs probably are often TTL, but could be Manual flash (Manual flash is far from point&shot. It means it is YOU that sets the right power level for correct flash exposure, for every picture. But manual flash is easy for one flash).
We can buy TTL only flash, or Manual only flash, or both modes. Both modes have their purposes. This higher interest will certainly include bounce flash, which requires a flash with a little more power, bigger than minimum. My notion is the SB-400 is too small and limited if you actually use flash, not enough to grow into. Bounce needs more power and a rotating flash head. You will discover that Flash Compensation is how we control automatic TTL flash. We watch results, and if not perfect, we learn to simply fix it, then and there. We learn how to get great flash pictures, how to do it right. If your camera model includes the Commander, which is sort of Point&Shoot with multiple lights (automatic setup), then the compatible flashes with that feature are high end, and will cost more.

Level 3 wants both TTL and manual flash. TTL is convenient, but Manual flash probably dominates your serious use. Multiple manual lights in a studio setting (might be your living room) probably will need a flash meter, which makes it all be easy, and well controlled, and repeatable. It may be the same better flash units as Level 2, but manual flash capability will be emphasized, and you are seeking features.


But about the first two questions are:

How serious a flash user will you be? Minimum when you cannot avoid it, average amateur (most are not all that interested in flash until they see what flash can do), or deadly serious? :)

Do you need TTL point&shoot flash, or Manual flash for more control, or both at different times?

No one ever mentions these things.

There is an article at Beginners Guide to Select a Hot Shoe Flash - and Compare Power Rating of Flashes with Guide Numbers that includes a way to compare power levels of speedlight flashes.
 
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skene

Senior Member
This is a great starting point Wayne. This should start to give people that are interested in purchasing a flash know what to start looking into.
Maybe add into the post some of the equipment that is available to help modify those flashes as well. :)
 

Bill16

Senior Member
This confirms my choice of a sb-700 or higher. But I admit it leaves me wondering if the sb-700 will be the best choice for me over the long run. I see the need for macro shot right now, and indoor shots for sure. I suppose starting with a sb-700 and then I can always add another flash later as I come to need it. But it seem like the more powerful model like the sb-910 will be the most versatile and should work better over all.
I guess I'll need to give this more thought, and balance need (long and short term) with the cost and go from there.
Thanks Wayne for the helpful info! :D
 

WayneF

Senior Member
This confirms my choice of a sb-700 or higher. But I admit it leaves me wondering if the sb-700 will be the best choice for me over the long run. I see the need for macro shot right now, and indoor shots for sure. I suppose starting with a sb-700 and then I can always add another flash later as I come to need it. But it seem like the more powerful model like the sb-910 will be the most versatile and should work better over all.
I guess I'll need to give this more thought, and balance need (long and short term) with the cost and go from there.

It seems real hard to fault the SB-700. It has about everything any flash could have. Maybe not a PC sync port, which is maybe a $10 Ebay extra added on the foot. Maybe not an external power port, which we don't need. But it has about everything else we could imagine. The one feature I would miss is the overt TTL/TTL BL menu (to force TTL mode), but Spot Metering mode also selects TTL mode on any of them. It may be slightly less power than the SB-910, but only closer to 1/2 stop than 1 stop. Not a lot of difference, and it could matter in a few situations, but not many. SB-700 is a couple hundred dollars less.

If cost is a concern, the Youngnou YN-568 is quite comparable in features, even with Commander Remote mode and Auto FP HSS mode (for compatible cameras), and also manual slave, etc. Apparently also full power like the SB-910 for about half of the SB-700 price. It does not have the GN mode the SB-700 has, and I think not a DX mode, but very comparable in features. I have no experience with the Yongnuo, but people seem to like them.

I've had a pair of SB-800 for 8 years, and I dearly love them. They do anything.

As a rule, we don't need much power for macro work (something like f/32 could be an exception, but we tend not to with digital). Macro work being small and close means soft light is not much problem to create. The tiny lights that are ill advised for normal work become relatively large at macro distances. Here's a couple of easy kludges which actually work surprisingly well.

Hot shoe flash aimed forward, inclined about 30 degrees up. Take a small palm sized white paper shopping bag (like from a jewelry or candy store) over the flash head, extending forward a few inches to make an illuminated white surface aimed down. Or make one from a folded letter size sheet of white paper, stapled into such a bag. This becomes a larger light there. It will surprise you.

It will take two hands, but if camera is on a tripod, one hand for shutter button (could be selftimer, freeing that hand), and the other hand holding a white card or paper, maybe a foot square (or larger, about the size of the desired lighted area). Aim the flash head sideways, or maybe mostly up, and hold the card or paper reflector there, maybe a foot from the flash head to illuminate most of it, angled to aim down at the subject. This is like making a larger wall there, to bounce the flash from. Again, it will surprise you. There could be a second card standing close on other side of subject, to reflect back from that side too.

Or if you have to carry it through the jungle, a simple L shaped bracket from like 1/8" thick 1 inch flat aluminum bar stock. Running under camera to tripod socket with a drilled 1/4" hole (tripod thread is standard 1/4"x20 screw from any hardware store - a knob on it is handy). And bent to run vertically up the side of camera a few inches higher than the camera. Other 1/4" holes and a standard cold shoe up there will hold the flash high, and its head can be angled down at the macro subject... with some sort of diffuser on it. Macro is surely the easiest stuff to light.
 
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WayneF

Senior Member
Not when you make it sound like you have to be both Mr. Fantastic and MacGuyver at the same time...

That must be an opinion that I complicate the details too much. :)

OK, here are Level 1 instructions about how to do flash:

1. Turn on camera

2. Turn on flash, set it to TTL

3. Press shutter button.

Possibly works OK. But what do we do when it doesn't work well enough? Give up flash? :)

There are things to know, which while not rocket science, they certainly do help.

As to macro, it is easier (lights can be close and large, relatively).
Here is an example, which is not macro, but the field of view is only about 12 inches wide:
Four Flash Photography Basics we must know - Soft Light
 

skene

Senior Member
lol... that's the easy part...

Or if you have to carry it through the jungle, a simple L shaped bracket from like 1/8" thick 1 inch flat aluminum bar stock. Running under camera to tripod socket with a drilled 1/4" hole (tripod thread is standard 1/4"x20 screw from any hardware store - a knob on it is handy). And bent to run vertically up the side of camera a few inches higher than the camera. Other 1/4" holes and a standard cold shoe up there will hold the flash high, and its head can be angled down at the macro subject...

It will take two hands, but if camera is on a tripod, one hand for shutter button (could be selftimer, freeing that hand), and the other hand holding a white card or paper, maybe a foot square (or larger, about the size of the desired lighted area). Aim the flash head sideways, or maybe mostly up, and hold the card or paper reflector there, maybe a foot from the flash head to illuminate most of it, angled to aim down at the subject.


Those items may be a bit more involved with reading what is in text, then what it actually means for people. I started to feel like I was putting together Ikea furniture when reading.

:p
 

WayneF

Senior Member
Those items may be a bit more involved with reading what is in text, then what it actually means for people. I started to feel like I was putting together Ikea furniture when reading.

:p


Oh, you meant that part. I suppose some would prefer a video. :)
 

skene

Senior Member
I understand what you are trying to say... at least I think I do... referring to basically creating a bounce card and bouncing the light off that reflector to light the subject. However some may end up not seeing it so clearly.

Just sayin'
 

Bill16

Senior Member
I think I understood alright enough to get the picture, pardon the pun. Lol But I just want to do my best not to buy a flash and then wish later I had bought a better one. The cost for a better one will be more expensive in the short run, but much less than buying a flash and then buying the more expensive flash later. Lol :)
I don't want to limit myself too much to what my goals are at the moment either. Because I learned pretty fast after being here that the goals you set often get expanded on as you learn more and open yourself up to new ideas and options. :D
 

WayneF

Senior Member
I think I understood alright enough to get the picture, pardon the pun. Lol But I just want to do my best not to buy a flash and then wish later I had bought a better one. The cost for a better one will be more expensive in the short run, but much less than buying a flash and then buying the more expensive flash later. Lol :)
I don't want to limit myself too much to what my goals are at the moment either. Because I learned pretty fast after being here that the goals you set often get expanded on as you learn more and open yourself up to new ideas and options. :D

Does your camera have a commander function in it? (D3100, D5200 families do not, D7100 and up do have it).

If so, you would surely want that Remote wireless feature, even if it was not the commonly used feature. Commander will not do it all, but it does a lot, very easily, very quickly.

If not, then you cannot as yet use that function of course, and instead of a Yongnuo 568 which has it, the Yongnuo 565 does not, for only $100 . I think otherwise, it is much the same other features. It would never seem wasted later, in that it can always be used as another light in any manual setup.

I don't mean to promote Yongnuo, esp since I have never seen one. Not sure if they are in the same class with Nikon brand, but others do seem to find them acceptable, and the price is certainly right. :)
 

Whiskeyman

Senior Member
I just want to do my best not to buy a flash and then wish later I had bought a better one.

I don't ever see this happening. All that buying the best flash for your current needs does is delay when its no longer good enough. It's a primary reason for NAS...
 

Bill16

Senior Member
Yes my D90 has commander mode. :)
Does your camera have a commander function in it? (D3100, D5200 families do not, D7100 and up do have it).

If so, you would surely want that Remote wireless feature, even if it was not the commonly used feature. Commander will not do it all, but it does a lot, very easily, very quickly.

If not, then you cannot as yet use that function of course, and instead of a Yongnuo 568 which has it, the Yongnuo 565 does not, for only $100 . I think otherwise, it is much the same other features. It would never seem wasted later, in that it can always be used as another light in any manual setup.

I don't mean to promote Yongnuo, esp since I have never seen one. Not sure if they are in the same class with Nikon brand, but others do seem to find them acceptable, and the price is certainly right. :)
 

Bill16

Senior Member
I don't know you could be right. Lol but since I don't have any money right now I don't believe it hurts to take a little time to make up my mine on which flash would be better suited to fill my NAS addiction! Lol :D
Besides as you should know my friend, it's fun! Lol :D
I don't ever see this happening. All that buying the best flash for your current needs does is delay when its no longer good enough. It's a primary reason for NAS...
 

jkinzel

Senior Member
This is a great thread, answered all my questions and removed any doubts about buying a flash. Today I will push the button on the SB-700 from B&H.

Wayne, thank you for your time and effort for this thread, very helpful.
 

fotojack

Senior Member
Maybe this will help, showing which Nikons have Commander Mode:

Model Connections.jpg
 
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