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  1. #51
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    Re: Need a camera and fully confused

    Quote Originally Posted by jay_dean View Post
    Agreed. The prices of these are low mainly due to them flooding the market as they were packaged as a kit lens, and many sold them off. The best Nikon lens for the price that it can be bought imo, to get a better Nikon zoom in this kind of focal you'll have to pay a lot more
    Thanks I'll check out that lens. I also thought it made sense to get a full frame camera.


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  2. #52
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    I have never seen a indoor or out door catalog shoot that did not involve augmented light. It has nothing to do with being incompetent for needing it, it is about getting what the art director expects. Hundreds of final images including in the catalog will have a set style so there is consistency between catalog items. Please forward the contact information for the pro commercial photographers you know who do not use augmented light for catalog....maybe they have some secret the thousands of fashion shooters don't know about. Telling the OP he does not need lighting for his task has the danger that he might believe you and waste his whole project schedule and money.


    I have also never seen a cover shot for a major publication done without augmented light. Are you forgetting what the OP's requirements are, what is trying to do? With all natural like no two images will have the same lighting let alone hundreds of catalog items. I was involved with dozens of record album cover shoots for major label releases and even those with the plan to appear natural, outdoors, were anything but all natural.
    No question the D700 was a fine camera, but why spend more and get less solid files? It does not make sense, everything since that era has eclipsed the image quality of the D700 in DR, color depth, color fidelity, shadow recovery, resolution, data transfer rates, improvements in tethering(used in most commercial studio photography) and more. My suggestion for crop is based on the needs of the task plus budget of $2000. All quality Fx lenses are going to kill that budget.


    Yes, repairability is an important deciding point for any business that will depend on a tool and physical asset. Why argue points that are just common sense and standard practice for a business? If you have had no repair issues, that is good for you, but it is not the norm, you have been lucky.

    It appears you want to argue about your preferences and not the OP's needs, budget and task solution. By using standard industry practice, of using good light, both the high cost of a top camera and top lenses is avoided. Great light trumps cameras and lenses for impact on the final result. And $200 in lighting beats the heck out of $2000 for a good fx lens, which with poor light would have to be used wide open, the exact opposite need of a catalog session where all details have to be within the depth of field, and stopped down to at least 5.6 but more likely f/8. These are not portrait sessions where shallow DOF is desired, in this case shooting 1.4 or 2.8 will result in parts of the clothing to be out of focus.
    The only reason I am responding is to help prevent the OP who had a sincere question, from being sidetracked into spending more money and not getting the results he needs, for no reason. No one is suggesting you need to use lighting or use budget saving equipment so why try to derail him?
    I very much agree good lighting is probably more important. I hear my brother going on about lighting all the time. And I've noticed with big high end shoots it's mostly about lighting, to the untrained eye anyway.
    I think the d750 and a couple of decent lenses and then couple of backgrounds and those light boxes that have a white paper type covering is what I need. I that whats called soft box? All of that and I should be good to go. Oh and a couple of those shiny things to reflect light!


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  3. #53
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    Re: Need a camera and fully confused

    Quote Originally Posted by spb_stan View Post
    I have never seen a indoor or out door catalog shoot that did not involve augmented light. It has nothing to do with being incompetent for needing it, it is about getting what the art director expects. Hundreds of final images including in the catalog will have a set style so there is consistency between catalog items. Please forward the contact information for the pro commercial photographers you know who do not use augmented light for catalog....maybe they have some secret the thousands of fashion shooters don't know about. Telling the OP he does not need lighting for his task has the danger that he might believe you and waste his whole project schedule and money.


    I have also never seen a cover shot for a major publication done without augmented light. Are you forgetting what the OP's requirements are, what is trying to do? With all natural like no two images will have the same lighting let alone hundreds of catalog items. I was involved with dozens of record album cover shoots for major label releases and even those with the plan to appear natural, outdoors, were anything but all natural.
    No question the D700 was a fine camera, but why spend more and get less solid files? It does not make sense, everything since that era has eclipsed the image quality of the D700 in DR, color depth, color fidelity, shadow recovery, resolution, data transfer rates, improvements in tethering(used in most commercial studio photography) and more. My suggestion for crop is based on the needs of the task plus budget of $2000. All quality Fx lenses are going to kill that budget.


    Yes, repairability is an important deciding point for any business that will depend on a tool and physical asset. Why argue points that are just common sense and standard practice for a business? If you have had no repair issues, that is good for you, but it is not the norm, you have been lucky.

    It appears you want to argue about your preferences and not the OP's needs, budget and task solution. By using standard industry practice, of using good light, both the high cost of a top camera and top lenses is avoided. Great light trumps cameras and lenses for impact on the final result. And $200 in lighting beats the heck out of $2000 for a good fx lens, which with poor light would have to be used wide open, the exact opposite need of a catalog session where all details have to be within the depth of field, and stopped down to at least 5.6 but more likely f/8. These are not portrait sessions where shallow DOF is desired, in this case shooting 1.4 or 2.8 will result in parts of the clothing to be out of focus.
    The only reason I am responding is to help prevent the OP who had a sincere question, from being sidetracked into spending more money and not getting the results he needs, for no reason. No one is suggesting you need to use lighting or use budget saving equipment so why try to derail him?
    Wow that's good info and you're spot on I need the full shot preferably or a full shot and then 2nd and 3rd image to show detail of clothing.


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  4. #54
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    Need a camera and fully confused
    So I got the d750, played around a little yesterday with a cheap lens (50mm 1.8d) I bought as a throw away. Today I'm picking up a 50mm 1.4g which should be good.

    This is the first picture I took just pointed and pressed. I think results are going to keep getting better! Thanks to everyone that's helped, all the opinions have been useful.
    Need a second lens may get the 24-70 most likely but it isn't cheap so I'll hold on for that and make do with this for now!


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  5. #55
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    Re: Need a camera and fully confused

    IMHO I would keep the 50mm f1.8 (which is still a very good lens) and skip the 50mm f1.4 and use the money towards a good 24-70mm
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  6. #56
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    Re: Need a camera and fully confused

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbrent View Post
    IMHO I would keep the 50mm f1.8 (which is still a very good lens) and skip the 50mm f1.4 and use the money towards a good 24-70mm
    I tend to agree here, with the only counterpoint that I can add being that the 50mm f/1.4 can be picked up pretty cheap ... making it one of the cheapest f/1.4 primes to own. But still, I'd keep the compact size of the 50/1.8 and look to add another versatile lens like the 24-70/2.8 that Brent recommended.

  7. #57
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    Re: Need a camera and fully confused

    The 1.8 really is a lot better
    D7100, D90, D100, Nikon 1 J5 w/10-100 f/4-5.6 & 10-30 non-PD
    Sigma 24 2.8 Super Wide II, Nik 50 1.8 AFD Nik 35 1.8G, Nik 70-300VR,
    Nik 18-200 VR, Nik 18-55 VR,
    Nik 18-105 VR, Nik 28-105 AFD, Nik 28-80,
    Tamron 70-210 MF, Tokina 12-28, Kenko 1.4x, SB-600

  8. #58
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    Re: Need a camera and fully confused

    I'm new to this but I didn't think the 1.8 was that great but the 1.4 gave great results instantly. Like soon as I stuck it on it was making great pictures. Not much of a cost to either but they seem pretty much the same. The 1.4 seems to focus better and quicker and on a low f number has a great bokeh without even trying. The 1.8 struggled to focus a little when close. I will now start looking out for a decent priced 24-70 in good condition. If anyone has give us a shout please, google 'payals Birmingham'



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  9. #59
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    Re: Need a camera and fully confused

    Quote Originally Posted by RocketCowboy View Post
    First off, howdy and welcome to Nikonites!!!

    The D750 is actually a newer body, compared to the D810. The D810 does have higher pixel count, but the D750 has better low light sensitivity. The D810 *could* cause more problems than it solves, because with the extra pixel count comes more opportunity for blurry photos due to camera shake. You asked about the D3 as well ... while discontinued, the D3 is still a workhorse of a camera. It doesn't have the pixel count that the D750 does, but would do well for website images.

    All in, I do think that either the latest D5600 or the D7200 would probably be the best choice, allowing the money saved to be spent on getting a good lens for your needs. The D7200 would probably last you longer, with the D5x00 series ... if you keep after the photography skills for long, you'll probably be looking for the more professional ergonomic changes that exist in the D7x00 and higher camera bodies.
    Can I ask why the extra pixels make camera shake worse?

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  10. #60
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    Re: Need a camera and fully confused

    Quote Originally Posted by paul_b View Post
    Can I ask why the extra pixels make camera shake worse?

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    I've heard this said many times, but I've never come across this problem
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