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    Question Fill flash with built in flash

    This is probably a really stupid question but if I want to use the built in flash as a fill flash, how do I do it? What setting must be made so that it flashes every time and not just in low light?

    Thanks

    Brian


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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    u must be in manual mode aperture priority mode or shutter priority. not in P mode. just keep your flash up. use EC as u need.
    not a stupid question.

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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    Thanks for that. I must be really stupid today (LOL) but what does EC mean?
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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    You can use Flash Compensation (this is different than Exposure Compensation) with the pop-up flash as well. If ambient light is good, I tend to back off the flash by 1 to 2 stops if all I want is a little fill. You will have to experiment to determine the correct setting for your exact lighting situation though.

    To adjust the flash compensation, press and hold the Flash button and use the command wheel to adjust the amount of compensation. I'd suggest dropping it back 1.5 stops for starters, but you get the idea.
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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    Thanks for that, I will have a play this afternoon
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    AF-S Nikkor 55-300mm 1:4.5 -5.6
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    Nikon SB-600 Speedlight

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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    Quote Originally Posted by meddyliol View Post
    Thanks for that, I will have a play this afternoon
    You might find this article helpful, it explains how to use both Exposure Compensation and Flash Compensation. Sometimes you want one, sometimes the other, sometimes both.

    Mastering Exposure and Flash Compensation
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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    Cheers, that is an excellent article
    Nikon D90 with MB-D80 battery pack, Nikon F75
    Hoya NDx400 filter plus UV filters for all lens
    AF-S Nikkor 55-300mm 1:4.5 -5.6
    Tamron SP AF 60mm f2 Di-II LD (IF)
    Nikon SB-600 Speedlight

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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    Quote Originally Posted by meddyliol View Post
    This is probably a really stupid question but if I want to use the built in flash as a fill flash, how do I do it? What setting must be made so that it flashes every time and not just in low light?

    Thanks

    Brian

    The internal flash will flash every time if its door is open and you are in camera A, S, P, or M mode. Open the door when you want flash, close it when you don't.

    If in Auto mode, don't open the door - the flash door opens itself when it thinks flash is necessary, in Auto mode.


    The internal flash will work fine in P mode, probably best for beginners with flash outdoors. My advice is to use P mode outdoors unless you are pretty famiilar with using flash. P mode specifically knows how to set a proper shutter speed for flash, and is likely your best bet, especially outdoors. Pro photographers working weddings and moving back and forth between indoors and outdoors will joke, and call P mode "Professional Mode", because it is a big help.


    Fill flash is Nikon's default flash mode if the internal flash menu is in TTL mode. This means auto flash compensation for fill flash level, it handles itself. You can still adjust flash compensation for a little more or less (to correct auto results), but the Nikon idea is automatic fill flash.

    The only alternative to this about fill flash mode for the internal flash is to set Spot metering mode (not likely a good idea outside in sunlight), when it shifts out of fill flash mode, and then you have to set flash compensation manually.

    A few of the hot shoe flashes have a menu to choose between TTL flash mode (not fill flash), or TTL BL (which is fill flash). TTL BL is the Nikon system default. The terms are confusing because if no menu called TTL BL, then the one menu called TTL is actually the default TTL BL mode. The Exif will call it TTL BL.

    But again, the internal flash menu TTL is the default fill flash mode, meaning TTL BL (fill flash).

    Note the article (which doesn't explain this, may not even know or he surely would have said something, but it is necessary to know) says "I set Spot Metering mode", which means TTL instead of default TTL BL, which means NOT automatic fill flash, which means he has to set fill compensation manually. Manual compensation can be a fine thing offering choice, but Spot metering outdoors will be Hell for a beginner that doesn't know how. Spot metering does NOT mean the spot is correctly exposed, it means the spot will come out middle gray, regardless if it was on a white dress or a black dress. Spot metering mode does normally work fine with flash indoors (because the flash system does not do Spot metering, and the ambient is far down), but Spot will be a major headache for beginners outdoors (ambient does do Spot metering, which requires skill).

    If NOT in Spot metering mode, then the TTL menu default flash mode is automatic fill flash compensation.

    EDITED: The little internal flash does not have much power, so not much distance range. 8 or 10 feet is a lot for full flash level indoors. But less for fill flash in sunshine, because the camera will surely be up around f/11, which limits the flash. Up to 6 feet is surely better for internal fill flash in bright sun. A bigger hot shoe flash can make a lot of difference. Some are in the $50 range.
    Last edited by WayneF; 12-08-2015 at 05:45 PM.

  9. #9
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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    What an excellent answer. Brilliant. Thanks to everyone for your help.

    Brian
    Nikon D90 with MB-D80 battery pack, Nikon F75
    Hoya NDx400 filter plus UV filters for all lens
    AF-S Nikkor 55-300mm 1:4.5 -5.6
    Tamron SP AF 60mm f2 Di-II LD (IF)
    Nikon SB-600 Speedlight

  10. #10
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    Re: Fill flash with built in flash

    That link is pretty good as well Wayne.
    Nikon D90 with MB-D80 battery pack, Nikon F75
    Hoya NDx400 filter plus UV filters for all lens
    AF-S Nikkor 55-300mm 1:4.5 -5.6
    Tamron SP AF 60mm f2 Di-II LD (IF)
    Nikon SB-600 Speedlight





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