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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveH View Post
    The D7100 is still a good camera, and in full working order so it will do just fine for wildlife, which is maybe a third of what I like to shoot - The remaining 2/3rds would be suited to a full frame....
    The primary reason I bought my D500 while keeping the D7100 was wildlife, which I also like to shoot quite a bit. With that subject, the two cameras aren't even in the same league. I still love my D7100 for landscapes, architecture, etc., but I would not want to be out in the woods without the D500. Your long Sigma lens gives you a bit more speed at the long end than my 300mm f/4 plus 2x teleconverter, but I'm pretty sure you still experience the same thing I used to, namely that "getting the shot" with the D7100 was always iffy.


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  2. #22
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by lokatz View Post
    Agree. A D750 replacement seems to be the biggest gap in Nikon's portfolio at this point. All other bases are well covered.
    Hmmmm. I've been using mine for almost 3 years and I don't know what I would want replaced.
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  3. #23
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by BackdoorHippie View Post
    Hmmmm. I've been using mine for almost 3 years and I don't know what I would want replaced.
    As always, it depends on what you're shooting. The D750 is sort of the full-frame equivalent of the D7100. Both are great cameras, but neither performs particularly well with fast moving subjects or in very low light, though the D750 is a mite better than the D7100 in that department. If your preferences require neither - great.

    Nikon released some ho-hum camera upgrades with the D3400, D5600, D7500 lately, so the D850 is the first major step forward in a few years. Technology has advanced quite a bit since the D7100/D750 were released, so that's why I see a D750 replacement as due if not overdue if Nikon wants to keep the momentum. As we say in German: "The better is the enemy of the good."
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  4. #24
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by lokatz View Post
    The primary reason I bought my D500 while keeping the D7100 was wildlife, which I also like to shoot quite a bit. With that subject, the two cameras aren't even in the same league. I still love my D7100 for landscapes, architecture, etc., but I would not want to be out in the woods without the D500. Your long Sigma lens gives you a bit more speed at the long end than my 300mm f/4 plus 2x teleconverter, but I'm pretty sure you still experience the same thing I used to, namely that "getting the shot" with the D7100 was always iffy.
    Well I use the D7100 + 150-600mm at bird reserves from a hide so there is more light than in woods, but to keep the shutter speed up for action shots the ISO is still up at least at 800+ which is ok on the D7100.

    I have started venturing into macro recently, and I will hopefully be starting some voluntary work for a museum soon in their photography team, so that is why I have one eye on full frame.

    The D750 looks like a great fit, at the same time I'm watching the D810 to see if there is price drop now the 850 is out.
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by lokatz View Post
    As always, it depends on what you're shooting. The D750 is sort of the full-frame equivalent of the D7100. Both are great cameras, but neither performs particularly well with fast moving subjects or in very low light, though the D750 is a mite better than the D7100 in that department. If your preferences require neither - great.

    Nikon released some ho-hum camera upgrades with the D3400, D5600, D7500 lately, so the D850 is the first major step forward in a few years. Technology has advanced quite a bit since the D7100/D750 were released, so that's why I see a D750 replacement as due if not overdue if Nikon wants to keep the momentum. As we say in German: "The better is the enemy of the good."
    I would beg to differ. Speaking from experience having shot with the D750 for over 2 years, it is still my go to camera for low light fun. (I would say "low light work, but some people might be offended by that word) I would not be caught in a dark alley without it.
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by lokatz View Post
    The D750 is sort of the full-frame equivalent of the D7100. Both are great cameras, but neither performs particularly well[... in very low light, though the D750 is a mite better than the D7100 in that department.
    I can only assume you've not spent much time actually shooting with the D750 in low light.

    In my experience the D750 snaps to focus-lock with almost uncanny accuracy, and speed, in low-light situations.
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horoscope Fish View Post
    I can only assume you've not spent much time actually shooting with the D750 in low light.

    In my experience the D750 snaps to focus-lock with almost uncanny accuracy, and speed, in low-light situations.
    I think at some point we need to find a way to take owner's pride out of these discussions. "Uncanny accuracy"? Give me a break.

    The D750 is, as I said repeatedly, a very good camera and you should be as proud to own it as you obviously are, but it can't hold a candle to the D5 nor D850 when it comes to low-light performance, which is the exact point I was making. The D500 has the better AF system but smaller pixels, so that comparison is admittedly less clear-cut.
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  8. #28
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by lokatz View Post
    I think at some point we need to find a way to take owner's pride out of these discussions. "Uncanny accuracy"? Give me a break.
    Sorry, no breaks being given on this. You said the D750, "doesn't perform particularly well in very low light." I could not disagree more and I stand by my previous statements. The word "uncanny" was being used, hyperbolically, to assert my point.

    Further, the last thing I am is "proud" of my camera; *insert confused look*... In fact I'm having difficulty wrapping my brain around that concept.
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  9. #29
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by lokatz View Post
    ... but neither performs particularly well with fast moving subjects or in very low light, though the D750 is a mite better than the D7100 in that department...
    Owning a D500, a D810, a D750, and gauging DR at differnt ISO's the D750 is slightly better than the D850 in comparison at higher ISO's - from experience I can say of my D810 and D750, while I use both, the images at equal ISO in same settings are better off the D750.

    I note in your sig you do not own a D750? Have you ever shot with one in low light situations?

    The only camera out there right now (Nikon) that surpasses the D750 for low light/high iso performance is the D5 - jury is still out on the D850 (mine is anyway), as I don't base everything off charts, but some of what I'm seeing out there holds up to what we see here.

    To say the D750 "doesn't perform well" in low light is ludicrous. My experience with it in concert settings says something vastly different.
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    Re: NIkon D850: Best Wildlife Camera EVER?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahex2099 View Post
    To say the D750 "doesn't perform well" in low light is ludicrous. My experience with it in concert settings says something vastly different.
    I'd appreciate you quoting me correctly before throwing around insults. Let us also keep the context of this post in mind. We're talking about *wildlife* here, not concerts. My point, if you re-read all of the posts, was that with fast-moving subjects or in VERY low light conditions (meaning hi-ISO), the D750 is not in the same class when shooting wildlife as the D500/D5/D850, and that the latter are the only three I would consider.

    Even though the D750 has a more sensitive sensor, the D500 with its faster AF and DX format IMO is a better performer in this category. You confirmed yourself that the D5 is superior. As far as the D850 goes, yes, the jury is still out, but the test shots others on this forum shared convinced me that its hi-ISO performance is stellar and possibly exceeds that of the D5. So I conclude again: the D750 is not as good a choice for wildlife as the other three are and I would not recommend it if that was the primary intended use.

    Sorry if you read more into my post than I meant to say, but I stand by everything I meant to say.
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