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    Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

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    Re: Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Perry
    The next omission will be of greater concern it appears there is no option for a vertical grip.
    Ouch!!!

    I'd already read rumors to this effect but I'm considering this confirmation. That Nikon would fail to support such a popular accessory boggles my mind.
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    I've yet to encounter a vertical grip that felt right. They make the camera too heavy and bulky and the ergonomics of the gripped camera is wrong. A gripped D800 for example feels like a pregnant cow when compared to the agility of the greyhound-like D4 body.

    Because the grip is a bolted-on piggyback the weak joint has too much give on tripod with a heavy lens like 14-24/2.8. With long lenses this doesn't matter because the lens is on the gimbal, not the camera.

    I rather carry the extra battery in my pants pocket than in the grip. This way I don't have to carry the grip at all.
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    Re: Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

    Quote Originally Posted by pforsell View Post
    I've yet to encounter a vertical grip that felt right. They make the camera too heavy and bulky and the ergonomics of the gripped camera is wrong. A gripped D800 for example feels like a pregnant cow when compared to the agility of the greyhound-like D4 body.

    Because the grip is a bolted-on piggyback the weak joint has too much give on tripod with a heavy lens like 14-24/2.8. With long lenses this doesn't matter because the lens is on the gimbal, not the camera.

    I rather carry the extra battery in my pants pocket than in the grip. This way I don't have to carry the grip at all.
    The main thing with grip is the vertical grip. For someone who does a lot of portrait work or fashion, the vertical grip is essential.
    The other advantage it gives any camera is a bit more stability (because of increased inertia) that makes it possible to use slower shutter speeds with LESS chance of camera movement induced blur. I feel I got sharper shots with my D810 with the grip, specially when I use my older Ais lenses or other lenses that don't have the VR.
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    Re: Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel View Post
    The main thing with grip is the vertical grip. For someone who does a lot of portrait work or fashion, the vertical grip is essential.
    The other advantage it gives any camera is a bit more stability (because of increased inertia) that makes it possible to use slower shutter speeds with LESS chance of camera movement induced blur. I feel I got sharper shots with my D810 with the grip, specially when I use my older Ais lenses or other lenses that don't have the VR.
    I know the benefits of a vertical grip and I agree. If the grip is integrated. The vertical shutter is the reason why I prefer a full size body over a half size. But it is the bolt-on grips that I don't like at all. Well, the slimline MB-21 grip for the F4 was okayish, but not the fat MB-23 which was the predecessor to the current grips. And yes, that was F4 not D4.
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    Re: Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

    Quote Originally Posted by pforsell View Post
    I know the benefits of a vertical grip and I agree. If the grip is integrated. The vertical shutter is the reason why I prefer a full size body over a half size. But it is the bolt-on grips that I don't like at all. Well, the slimline MB-21 grip for the F4 was okayish, but not the fat MB-23 which was the predecessor to the current grips. And yes, that was F4 not D4.
    Congratulations on having shot an F4 like so many of us. And regardless of how you feel about "bolt on" battery-grips personally, the fact remains those battery-grips are a hugely popular accessory Nikon has decided to remove from the equation. In short, the tail should not attempt to wag the dog.
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    Re: Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

    Quote Originally Posted by pforsell View Post
    I've yet to encounter a vertical grip that felt right. They make the camera too heavy and bulky and the ergonomics of the gripped camera is wrong. A gripped D800 for example feels like a pregnant cow when compared to the agility of the greyhound-like D4 body.

    Because the grip is a bolted-on piggyback the weak joint has too much give on tripod with a heavy lens like 14-24/2.8. With long lenses this doesn't matter because the lens is on the gimbal, not the camera.

    I rather carry the extra battery in my pants pocket than in the grip. This way I don't have to carry the grip at all.
    I sit in the other camp. I think grips make all cameras feel balanced, whether they're bolted on or integral. A camera without a grip is like a car without wheels imo
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    Re: Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

    Quote Originally Posted by Horoscope Fish View Post
    Congratulations on having shot an F4 like so many of us. And regardless of how you feel about "bolt on" battery-grips personally, the fact remains those battery-grips are a hugely popular accessory Nikon has decided to remove from the equation. In short, the tail should not attempt to wag the dog.
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    Perhaps the grips haven't been so hugely succesful after all? I doubt that in current financial turmoil Nikon would leave $300-500 a pop on the table voluntarily. Do you have actual sales numbers to demonstrate the 'huge success'?
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    My fastest lens is f/1.2 (x3) and slowest f/2.8


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    Re: Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

    Quote Originally Posted by pforsell View Post
    Perhaps the grips haven't been so hugely succesful after all? I doubt that in current financial turmoil Nikon would leave $300-500 a pop on the table voluntarily. Do you have actual sales numbers to demonstrate the 'huge success'?
    It appears self-evident having worked as the department manager of a rather large visual arts department of a college for almost 20 years where I've worked with hundreds of full-time professionals and semi-professionals as well as thousands of student photographers of varying levels of skill. So yeah, based on those two decades of exposure I feel confident in calling battery grips a hugely popular accessory.

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    Re: Steve Perry Article on the New D7500

    For about two years now I have been helping out at the local photography school and I have seen exactly one gripped camera out of maybe 200 to 300 - one of the instructor's cameras. It makes me wonder if the D7500 is not going to be the new entry level offering.





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