Change of heart on the Nikon D7200

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Dragonfly

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I just watched this review, and googled some other comparisons, and have come to the conclusion that the bigger buffer in the camera would help m get more high speed continuous AF shots (I think). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erCZ5SRXwKI Since I would use this on most wildlife shoots there is an advantage for me. One question, does the camera have an all new sensor, and if yes, how do they compare?
 

mikew_RIP

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I just watched this review, and googled some other comparisons, and have come to the conclusion that the bigger buffer in the camera would help m get more high speed continuous AF shots (I think). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erCZ5SRXwKI Since I would use this on most wildlife shoots there is an advantage for me. One question, does the camera have an all new sensor, and if yes, how do they compare?

If ime honest the extra buffer capacity would not have been reason enough for me to get it,i only ever use CL and found i rarely ran out of shots on the D7100 so long as i had a fast card in,the two areas that where of more interest to me where the extra stop in ISO as far as noise was concerned,and the better AF lock on to lower contrast targets.
I have managed to confirm the better AF lock in lower light but not yet the better noise control,although i dont doubt it.
 

Horoscope Fish

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One question, does the camera have an all new sensor, and if yes, how do they compare?
"...all new"? No. What has yet to be determined is if the D7200 uses the Toshiba sensor like the one used on the D7100 (et al), or the Sony sensor like the one used on the D5500 (et al). Some people are crying "Sony" based purely on the resolution spec', but a closer examination of a broader spectrum of pertinent data would seem to indicate the Toshiba sensor. I have my suspicions but I can't make definitive claims. Someone will eventually do a tear-down to find out for certain but so far that hasn't happened to my knowledge.

If you want all the gory details, Google will take you as deep into the discussion as you wish to go.
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mikew_RIP

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The conclusion i came to after someone on here sent me some raw files to play with was,the D7200 files where cleaner than the D7100 files i was getting,now if yoou ask me to define cleaner i cant,it was the only word i could come up with to define the difference i was seeing.
I also decided because i had seen it on my own PC i wasnt bothered if it was a new sensor or better processing,so long as i was happy with the end result.
 

Horoscope Fish

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The conclusion i came to after someone on here sent me some raw files to play with was,the D7200 files where cleaner than the D7100 files i was getting,now if yoou ask me to define cleaner i cant,it was the only word i could come up with to define the difference i was seeing.
I also decided because i had seen it on my own PC i wasnt bothered if it was a new sensor or better processing,so long as i was happy with the end result.
I think I know what you're talking about because I've seen it too. I suspect a lot of what I've seen has to do with the Expeed 4 processing engine. Camera's that use the Expeed 4 (D7200, D5500, D5300) exhibit a certain "clarity" (for lack of a better word) that cameras using the Expeed 3 (D7100, D5200) do not.

Of course there's nothing scientific in my assessment but in my defense these observation's are based on seeing a lot of photos from a lot of cameras that have come in from both faculty and students at my job. Maybe it's something else but I really do think the Expeed 4 makes a difference. My GF shoots with a D5300 and I'm shocked at how often it appears to shooting "above its weight class", if you will.
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Bill16

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Interesting! I'm not looking to get a D7200 but I'm interested in how this comes out in the wash! Small improvement or big improvement over the D7100?:)
 

Horoscope Fish

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Interesting! I'm not looking to get a D7200 but I'm interested in how this comes out in the wash! Small improvement or big improvement over the D7100?:)
I'd call the improvements seen on the 7200 significant but not enough to be called "upgrade worthy"... With the potential exception of the buffer issue which is huge to a specific demographic. That, in my estimation, was pure blunder on Nikon's part: the D7100 never should have been released with a buffer that shallow and if Nikon didn't know that then, they sure as hell should have.

The D7200 seems like an "apology" camera to me sometimes... Almost akin to the D610. The D7200 corrects a deficiency and has just enough extra "sweetness" thrown in to facilitate plausible deniability that it IS, in fact, an apology camera.

Just one man's opinion, of course.
 

Woodyg3

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I have the D7200, and owned and still own the D7100. The larger buffer certainly helps me when shooting wildlife, especially birds in flight. The D7200 seems to autofocus a little quicker and with a bit more accuracy. The difference in the sensor seems very small to me. I think I'm getting a little less noise at higher ISO, but I have not done any scientific comparisons, and the difference, if there is one, is small. All that siad, since wildlfe and sports are my main interests in photography, I would pick the D7200 over the D7100 every time.
 

Dragonfly

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"...all new"? No. What has yet to be determined is if the D7200 uses the Toshiba sensor like the one used on the D7100 (et al), or the Sony sensor like the one used on the D5500 (et al). Some people are crying "Sony" based purely on the resolution spec', but a closer examination of a broader spectrum of pertinent data would seem to indicate the Toshiba sensor. I have my suspicions but I can't make definitive claims. Someone will eventually do a tear-down to find out for certain but so far that hasn't happened to my knowledge.

If you want all the gory details, Google will take you as deep into the discussion as you wish to go.
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Would you buy computer without knowing what CPU it had or a car without knowing how may cylinders it had? Hiding the sensor from the buyers is in my opinion totally unacceptable, as they could change it at anytime to anything.................. I don't buy a loaf of bread without reading the ingredients
 

Dragonfly

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I'd call the improvements seen on the 7200 significant but not enough to be called "upgrade worthy"... With the potential exception of the buffer issue which is huge to a specific demographic. That, in my estimation, was pure blunder on Nikon's part: the D7100 never should have been released with a buffer that shallow and if Nikon didn't know that then, they sure as hell should have.

The D7200 seems like an "apology" camera to me sometimes... Almost akin to the D610. The D7200 corrects a deficiency and has just enough extra "sweetness" thrown in to facilitate plausible deniability that it IS, in fact, an apology camera.

Just one man's opinion, of course.

I agree, but I am not upgrading, I am adding a second body, so I can have 2 lenses ready at all times.
 

mikew_RIP

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I have to read every ingredient as I am both gluten ad lactose intolerant, it sucks.

Well your safe with sensors as we dont normally eat them,thinking about it i have no idea who makes the CPU for my car,or the chip in my tv,the list goes on
 

Horoscope Fish

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Would you buy computer without knowing what CPU it had or a car without knowing how may cylinders it had? Hiding the sensor from the buyers is in my opinion totally unacceptable, as they could change it at anytime to anything.................. I don't buy a loaf of bread without reading the ingredients
I'm not saying anything other than what I posted which I think is pretty clear.

Now, if you're not happy with Nikon not expressly stating what processor they use in their camera bodies, then you'll need to discuss that with Nikon.
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Dragonfly

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Well your safe with sensors as we dont normally eat them,thinking about it i have no idea who makes the CPU for my car,or the chip in my tv,the list goes on

The camera sensor is the equivalent of a car's engine, as the engine does the moving and the sensor does the recording of images. I am sure you know what engine you have in your car...
 

Dragonfly

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I'm not saying anything other than what I posted which I think is pretty clear.

Now, if you're not happy with Nikon not expressly stating what processor they use in their camera bodies, then you'll need to discuss that with Nikon.
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So I am supposed to spend $1200.00 on something that I do not know what it is.......... Sorry, this makes no sense
 
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