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    Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    HI Friends I am New in this forum - hope you can Help with a small Question.
    I just bought new Nikon D610 after deep review that it as a great ISO performance.
    (I'm using the Nikon 18-120 F4 VR)

    after some family shooting i noticed in Lightroom a very high noise at ISO 720 and UP...
    i read also here that D610 as a great ISO.
    So can someone here view my Test Shots and please tell me if they are OK - Noise wise
    Please Zoom in 100% see my <Google Drive> (where it say manual it's shot with constant Shutter and F stop - the other pictures are at Aperture mode)
    Because if not OK, i would like to return and replace it.
    I will Really appropriate any suggestion or Comment!!
    Many Thanks!!!


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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Welcome aboard. Enjoy the ride.
    We look forward to seeing more posts and samples of your work.

    I have looked at your photos as large as I can and I must be missing something as I do not see anything that I would consider very high noise even at ISO 6400. Yes, there is some noise, yes, but that I would expect at this ISO.
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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Thank you Brent Harritt,
    Regardless, first and above all- i see you are from the US - so i want to express my condolences for the people hurt in the Vegas attack (we, in Israel are all shocked from this crazy act - sadly we also live in a place that knows the pain involved )
    We hope you will never experience this ever again!

    after saying that,
    did you see all my pictures? also the iso 800, 1600 etc. - i though in the D610 i will not have those issues so much.
    i told my friend to take some test shot with is new Canon 6D II - and i must tell you i didnt almost see the differences between the 800 and the 3200 pictures he showed me- i didn't see any noise with is pictures they were very smooth...

    i have another important question regarding... in low light to avoid noise (or decrease the chance of noise) - is there relevance to choose aperture or shutter effecting it more than the other? i mean, should I first choose or consider one over the other? (to first lower the aperture or try to compensate first with the shutter) or it doesn't matter
    Many Thanks!!!
    Last edited by D610; 10-04-2017 at 12:27 AM.

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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Quote Originally Posted by D610 View Post
    HI Friends I am New in this forum - hope you can Help with a small Question.
    I just bought new Nikon D610 after deep review that it as a great ISO performance.
    (I'm using the Nikon 18-120 F4 VR)

    after some family shooting i noticed in Lightroom a very high noise at ISO 720 and UP...
    i read also here that D610 as a great ISO.
    So can someone here view my Test Shots and please tell me if they are OK - Noise wise
    Please Zoom in 100% see my <Google Drive> (where it say manual it's shot with constant Shutter and F stop - the other pictures are at Aperture mode)
    Because if not OK, i would like to return and replace it.
    I will Really appropriate any suggestion or Comment!!
    Many Thanks!!!
    In looking at your photos I'm not seeing too much noise either, about what I would expect from a D610 at 6400ISO. Bear in mind as well the D610 is a four-year old camera, the 6D Mark II came out earlier this year.

    That being said, what noise there is at 6400ISO cleans up easily. The screenshot below shows what can be done with a few clicks of the mouse:
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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Thank you Paul!!
    can you please answer my other question?
    in low light to avoid noise (or decrease the chance of noise) - is there relevance to choose aperture or shutter effecting it more than the other? i mean, should I first choose or consider one over the other? (e.g. to first lower the aperture or try to compensate first with the shutter) or it doesn't matter?
    Tanks again


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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Quote Originally Posted by D610 View Post
    Thank you Paul!!
    can you please answer my other question?
    in low light to avoid noise (or decrease the chance of noise) - is there relevance to choose aperture or shutter effecting it more than the other? i mean, should I first choose or consider one over the other? (e.g. to first lower the aperture or try to compensate first with the shutter) or it doesn't matter?
    Tanks again
    The exposure triangle consists of the aperture, shutter speed, and ISO. Of these three, ISO is the one that contributes to noise. BUT...you always want to get your exposure correct in camera. When you raise the exposure or shadows of a low light image in post, it will add noise.

    Changing your aperture will control your depth of field but won't add noise. Changing your shutter will affect any movement that might be going on in your image but won't add noise. Keeping your ISO as low as possible WHILE having your aperture set for DOF and your shutter set to either keep movement from showing up or allowing movement to blur within the image is how you control noise in the camera. There are also a couple of camera settings for noise. If you are shooting RAW, most likely you will see more noise straight out of camera than if you are shooting jpeg.

    In addition to noise reduction during post processing, make sure you check on color noise reduction. Not everyone uses the color noise reduction adjustment, but it can help a great deal depending upon the image.

    If you crop an image, the speckles of noise will appear to be larger than they are in an uncropped image.
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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Welcome to the forum, cant help as noise is something i dont worry about,hope you get sorted to your satisfaction.
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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Quote Originally Posted by hark View Post
    The exposure triangle consists of the aperture, shutter speed, and ISO. Of these three, ISO is the one that contributes to noise. BUT...you always want to get your exposure correct in camera. When you raise the exposure or shadows of a low light image in post, it will add noise.

    Changing your aperture will control your depth of field but won't add noise. Changing your shutter will affect any movement that might be going on in your image but won't add noise. Keeping your ISO as low as possible WHILE having your aperture set for DOF and your shutter set to either keep movement from showing up or allowing movement to blur within the image is how you control noise in the camera. There are also a couple of camera settings for noise. If you are shooting RAW, most likely you will see more noise straight out of camera than if you are shooting jpeg.

    In addition to noise reduction during post processing, make sure you check on color noise reduction. Not everyone uses the color noise reduction adjustment, but it can help a great deal depending upon the image.

    If you crop an image, the speckles of noise will appear to be larger than they are in an uncropped image.

    Thank you so much you all for the Help and time you put in my questions and viewing my pictures

    I understand your answer and I know about the 'exposure triangle'

    i asked this because i see in 'Imaging Resource' site. it have the few sample images with same ISO but different shutter - so i want to understand if there is a relationship to sharpness or noise or why they sample with different setting? as they all seems correctly exposed.
    Thanks!
    Last edited by D610; 10-04-2017 at 10:39 AM.

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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??
    Why are you pixel peeping and underexposing 2 stops and expecting low pixel level noise? Maybe I am missing something but is does not make sense to me. A D610 will have wider DR than your friend's Canon. But you need to use it correctly for best signal to noise ratio. What was the reason for under exposing? That added 2 stops of noise.


    Expose to the right on the histogram and see just how good your camera is. I boosted the lower ISO images in Photoshop which should have boosted noise also and they are rather clean. View at normal distance and size they are spotless.
    How to get low noise in low light? Noise in low light is natural, our eyes certainly suffer with detail loss and color noise/loss, when viewing dim scenes. The reason is noise is random and light at low levels isn't because the constant noise it not as far below a low light level. More light in the presence of steady noise means the mid level light is far above the noise level. Cameras can't invent signal to noise ratio increases of low light scenes. The best the camera can do is contribute less noise to the ambient noise. It can also trade detail for noise reduction using computer processing. So as good as the D610 is, it can't create more light. You have to feed it more light. Feeding it more light at low ISO means wider apertures and longer time. No problem with static scenes, just be sure to use a steady tripod and mirror up and that scene would appear noiseless..
    What if there is action you need to freeze? Shutter speed has to be increased, each stop increase in speed can be compensated by 1 stop opening of aperture from your f/4 to f/2.8, you could double the shutter speed for the same noise. That is why fast wide aperture lenses are preferred by experienced shooters despite their higher cost and weight. If action is still too fast, adding light, and why photographers often have additional light sources, like strobes, speedlights, reflectors, etc.
    I would suggest learning in more detail about exposure. A classic, easy to read book that has been around since the 70s but updated for digital is
    https://www.amazon.com/Understanding...slrlounge01-20

    By the way, the D610 tops the Canon a full 3.5 stops in DR at low ISO.


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    Re: Help! New D610 - ISO noise - is it that Bad?? or it's OK??

    Thank you so much Stan for your educational answer!
    I will try to use the ETTR method and maybe upload a picture to share
    The reason i was pixel picking because of few family pictures and one specially were i took a shot with iso 720 F5.6 1/30 sec. with flash !(so this should cover the light issue ) and the pictures looked terrible once zoomed 100% .and bcz its a new camera and i saw in you YouTube many reviews and also read many articles on this camera i thought something is wrong with my camera sensor as its only iso 720!
    then i viewed some more pictures i took with\out flash and again i see the noise although there is flash light or ambient i usally use 1/4 or 1/8 of flash power (it was manual flash so i may used it wrong?) but nevertheless there are noise also with the flash on... I am working on manual mode or aperture. I will post add this picture to my google drive if you want to take a look
    Regardless i did learned from your answer among the others that comment here.

    Thanks again!

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