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  1. #31
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    Re: How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpatch View Post
    Furthering algmiyazaki's question, how do you force the flash to fire in non-macro photography? There are times when I have a shot in shade with bright light behind and so would very much like to force the flash to fire, but it won't. I've never been able to figure this out. Thank you.
    Curious @Sandpatch , if your experience with your 5100 is similar to what @algmiyazaki describes, or if when yours does not flash, if covering the lens with hand makes is fire??


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    Re: How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eyelight View Post
    Curious @Sandpatch , if your experience with your 5100 is similar to what @algmiyazaki describes, or if when yours does not flash, if covering the lens with hand makes is fire??
    I'll need to try and work this again and see.

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    Re: How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!

    I've messed around with this just a bit and it appears that if I switch to P, S or A Mode and raise the flash, it will fire. If I lower the flash on the same shot, it will not pop up and fire. This all assumes that the light is such that the flash could be used. But, I've not done exhaustive testing on this.

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    Re: How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpatch View Post
    I've messed around with this just a bit and it appears that if I switch to P, S or A Mode and raise the flash, it will fire. If I lower the flash on the same shot, it will not pop up and fire. This all assumes that the light is such that the flash could be used. But, I've not done exhaustive testing on this.

    In camera A, S, P, or M modes, if the internal flash door is open, it will fire. The ambient light does not matter, or rather, TTL flash mode will meter the flash to match it, but it will fire if open. So, you open the flash when you want it to fire. It will NOT pop open automatically. Maybe you want fill flash in bright sun, so just open the flash door, and use camera mode A, S, P, or M, and it will fire (I would suggest camera P mode in bright sun).

    If using a hot shoe flash, if you turn it on, it will fire. Don't turn it on if you don't want it to fire.

    In contrast, in camera Auto mode, or most of the Scene modes, the internal flash is instead automatic, and if deemed necessary by the light, then it will pop open and fire. But it is automation instead of choice. There are a few Scene modes where the internal flash won't fire, see the manual.
    Last edited by WayneF; 06-22-2014 at 12:46 AM.

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    Re: How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!

    I d3300, at least, there is a mode "Auto" and "No Flash". In the first mode the flash will pop up automatically when needed, and in the second it will not fire.

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    Re: How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!

    How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by WayneF View Post
    In camera A, S, P, or M modes, if the internal flash door is open, it will fire. ....
    Yep, I messed around some more this afternoon after work and you are correct. This is so handy and yet somehow I never understood how to work this in the owner's manual. As an example, I wanted to take a picture of a component in my truck's engine bay. My D5100 didn't think a flash was needed, but I disagreed. I set it to P Mode, raised the flash and got an excellently lit photo.

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  7. #37
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    Re: How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!

    The Nikon manuals become pretty clear, AFTER you figure out how it works.

    There are several icons for flash modes, with no meaning to me.

    Using the Built-in Flash: (Auto and Scene Modes)
    1 Choose a flash mode.
    2 Take pictures.
    The flash will pop up as required when the
    shutter-release button is pressed halfway, and
    fire when a photograph is taken. If the flash does
    not pop up automatically, DO NOT attempt to raise it
    by hand. Failure to observe this precaution could
    damage the flash.


    ❚❚ Using the Built-in Flash: P, S, A, M, and 0 Modes
    1 Raise the flash.
    Press the button to raise the flash.
    2 Choose a flash mode (P, S, A, and M modes only)
    3 Take pictures.
    The flash will fire whenever a picture is taken.

    That is very clear, if we just realized what they were trying to tell us.

  8. #38
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    Re: How do I force the flash to go off in manual mode? Help!!!

    Hi all,

    OP here. I was never able to resolve the issue and discovered that my warranty expired, so I purchased a cheap horseshoe flash that was on sale ($50) off Amazon and I am very happy with it for what I use it for (macro).

    My best guess is that my camera has a defect in which the built-in flash is not detecting that it's in manual mode, thus still acting like it's in automatic (only firing when it wants) even though it isn't.





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