Who will get D5?

pforsell

Senior Member
Which ones of you guys have decided to get the new D5?

I will skip it and wait for D5s, and below is my rationalisation:

I have become extremely wary about the version-1.0 releases from Nikon. Their track record hasn't been stellar lately. OTOH I never got the first edition of a Nikon body. I skipped D1 but later on got D1H and D1x (x2). Same with D2H, I skipped it but got D2x and D2Hs (which was so noisy I replaced it with another D1H). Same story goes on with the next generation: I got both facelift models D3s and D3x, which are still running perfectly and never had a hiccup. Ditto for D4, I skipped it and got the D4s two years ago. What a camera! I will do the same again and wait till D5s comes out.

All these facelifts have always come with a variety of improvements, like firmware tweaks, bigger buffer, new added features, new sensor, faster frame rate, better ISO, better metering, faster CF card write speed and so on. And no factory recall ever. Not once. And the reliability is spectacular. All four of my 1st gen facelift Nikons (2x D1H + 2x D1x) are still running smoothly, after 15 years. I expect no less from the later ones.

One weird omission in D5 is that it lacks 4K/60fps video, and I'm confident the D5s will address this. I am not sneering at the possibility of 8 megapixel images @ 60 fps, while I'm not interested in video as such. And perhaps D5s will come with ISO 6.4 million LOL. ;) ;)
 

Whiskeyman

Senior Member
I can't see me getting one. Even most of the pros that I know shooting Nikon gear think the single-digit Nikon line of cameras is too much for them to purchase when so much can be had for much less. The exception to this seems to be the news photographers in the area. They typically are willing to pay for every last ounce of advantage that they can in a camera and lenses, and they are knowledgeable to get it out of their gear. Maybe one day when the prices on used ones are really low, but even the D4's aren't there yet!

WM
 

mikew_RIP

Senior Member
I will not be getting one as i cant afford it and if i could just afford it then a cheaper camera and other gear would make me happier,the D500 though is a different story when the prices drop.
 

pforsell

Senior Member
So the reason for the 3 min at 4k is nothing to do with the weather sealing apparently but then he contradicts himself and says the reason is Processing and Heat which is generated ... So it IS to do with the weather sealing ...

Nikon speak about 3min 4k record in Nikon D5

I will not be getting one as i cant afford it and if i could just afford it then a cheaper camera and other gear would make me happier,the D500 though is a different story when the prices drop.

Weather sealing means rubber O-rings at the holes for the buttons and such to prevent water from seeping in. I don't think those openings to the body are useful for cooling even without rubber seals. Non-sealed cameras are pretty much tight enough to keep moisture and dust out, and don't blow hot air out of the button holes either.

The only meaningful way to cool the camera internals is via convection, not via airflow through button holes. Metal body is good for transferring heat from the hot electronics to the metal shell, but then again it is held in a warm hand.

In some Olympus (maybe Evolt E-5 ?) camera there was a small blower fan inside the camera body, but without external holes. The blower just redistributed the generated heat from one part of the camera to other parts to help the dissipation to the environment. The downside is that the E-5 was not silent.
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
I've taken myself out of the race for new, "better" gear because I had the "Aha Moment" where I went from thinking better gear won't make me a better photographer, to understanding better gear won't make me a better photographer. What will make a better photographer, and I very much DO want to be a better photographer, is a more creative vision and a better skill-set.

All that being said, the D500 appears to be an absolute beast of a camera.

Pleeeeease, Nikon... Don't screw this up!
 

mikew_RIP

Senior Member
I've taken myself out of the race for new, "better" gear because I had the "Aha Moment" where I went from thinking better gear won't make me a better photographer, to understanding better gear won't make me a better photographer. What will make a better photographer, and I very much DO want to be a better photographer, is a more creative vision and a better skill-set.

All that being said, the D500 appears to be an absolute beast of a camera.

Pleeeeease, Nikon... Don't screw this up!

I could easily think like you, the problem is with my main interest being wildlife when focusing and noise control improves i know it will help(i have seen very few who can de-noise bird feathers and not loose some detail),the rest of the stuff on it is of no real use to me.
 

Vincent

Senior Member
About 2 weeks ago I decided to buy the D5.

The performance of the D750 compared to the A7s, I do not believe in it.
The D4 AF tracking seems to far outperform the D750, as does the buffer capacity. The D750 is not the leap I`m looking for.
I need to save quite a bit for a new "top" camera.
The D5 will outperform the D4 in AF and resolution.

Conclusion D5 will be a second hand body which will deliver without doubt and get into the budget when I`m ready for it.

But now there is the D500, sceptical about it, but I want to see what it delivers.
 

Danno

Senior Member
The D5 is so far out of my reach that I do not even think about it the D500 seems amazing, but I am happy where I am right now. I want to become a better photographer and the D7200 seems to fit with what I like to shoot. I have learned that I need a wide angle lens and a 150-600... because of what I like to shoot. The rest is practice and composition. I need improvement in both.

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cbay

Senior Member
If i were selling prints then i would want to get the D810 w/ 14-24 for landscapes, and maybe a D500 for wildlife it i found i needed it. The chances of justifying all this with income from my hobby are slim at this time. But,,,stranger things have happened and i got an open mind. :)
 
I've taken myself out of the race for new, "better" gear because I had the "Aha Moment" where I went from thinking better gear won't make me a better photographer, to understanding better gear won't make me a better photographer. What will make a better photographer, and I very much DO want to be a better photographer, is a more creative vision and a better skill-set.

All that being said, the D500 appears to be an absolute beast of a camera.

Pleeeeease, Nikon... Don't screw this up!

I agree with you 100%. I waited and waited to upgrade my D7100 to the D750 until I was pretty sure I had pushed the technology of the D7100 as far as I could. I needed more of the low light capabilities and more importantly the ability to use exposure preview in the live view mode. With some of the projects I am doing that is so much better and faster. You are right though in that a new better camera does not make me a better photographer but hopefully the new tools it gives me access to will allow me to work more to become a better photographer.
 

Vincent

Senior Member
Via Nikon rumors I came to this review:
Beta test report Nikon D5 - OLE J LIODDEN

It did not really help me. The main D5 improvements are ISO preformance and AF tracking.

For the author the D4s was usable for high quality print around 4000-5000 ISO and the D5 at 12800 ISO. A 1,5 step improvement he states.
My question here is mainly what will the D500 deliver on ISO, 1,5 time improvement compared to the D7200 seems already a good preformance. The ISO of the D5 from the comments is on Sony A7s level, but with a different resolution and AF performance that really will be a super wildlife camera. The reviewer also is successfully using a TC2 with a 600mm f4, since I have both I do not need a crop factor to have incredible reach. But this kind of set up also demands a super technique and high ISO to keep the shutter speed high enough.

The decision to want a D5 was mainly since when I looked into AF preformance it became clear the D750 is less perfomant then the D4s, so why not wait for the D5 and have a real high performance AF. The issue now is that Nikon delivered, but not only in the D5, also in the D500. The D500 buffer + AF is really more on my level, with the smaller body, the only fear is the ISO on the DX sensor. I see the need for more fps in the future, but at the moment 3fps never let me down.

The final chapter: Money. I will not buy a D5 new, it will probably be 3 years old with something like 80000 clicks. It had planned to buy it at the D6 release, when the market will be full of D5s bodies second hand. A D500 will be less then that and more available, even possible new.

Conclusion for my use, D5 compared to D500:
+ ISO, and to a lesser extend weather sealing
- Price and size of body
 

Vincent

Senior Member
I'm trying to find more info, but mirror blackout time is a more detail view where most photographers do not get to (and do not need to get to).

From the D5 info:
Additionally, a new shutter and mirror sequencing mechanism nearly eliminates blackout time and mirror slap for bright, consistent views during high-speed shooting– realizing truly confident tracking of fast, erratically moving subjects that were previously difficult to achieve.

Now this was also a main point in the D4s release and it is why I abandoned the idea of a D750. My main goal is confident tracking of fast, erratically moving subjects in twilight (less then high fps and pray).
1) I do believe that together with battery life and weather sealing this is what triples the price of a D5 compared to a D500 (margin plays as well obviously), so I see that the D500 (as does the D750) will underperform in mirror blackout.
2) Even if the D5 release is incredible hopeful (nearly eliminates), I do believe that the D6 will have a similar statement: "that were previously difficult to achieve"
3) There is also the tracking algorithm, which from the reviews I saw might be better in a Canon 1DX (I think the MkII version might continue that).

Conclusion: confident tracking of fast, erratically moving subjects in twilight is still a challenge and the top cameras will be best at it (every brand with their strenght and weaknesses). However it is also a difficult subject to find good reliable data on and even to design neutral tests for.

p.s.: After my latest experience with my A7s I believe I will wait till I find the right D5 second hand for me and only after that look at some lenses for Sony and a D500.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
I'm trying to find more info, but mirror blackout time is a more detail view where most photographers do not get to (and do not need to get to).

From the D5 info:


Now this was also a main point in the D4s release and it is why I abandoned the idea of a D750. My main goal is confident tracking of fast, erratically moving subjects in twilight (less then high fps and pray).
1) I do believe that together with battery life and weather sealing this is what triples the price of a D5 compared to a D500 (margin plays as well obviously), so I see that the D500 (as does the D750) will underperform in mirror blackout.
2) Even if the D5 release is incredible hopeful (nearly eliminates), I do believe that the D6 will have a similar statement: "that were previously difficult to achieve"
3) There is also the tracking algorithm, which from the reviews I saw might be better in a Canon 1DX (I think the MkII version might continue that).

Conclusion: confident tracking of fast, erratically moving subjects in twilight is still a challenge and the top cameras will be best at it (every brand with their strenght and weaknesses). However it is also a difficult subject to find good reliable data on and even to design neutral tests for.

p.s.: After my latest experience with my A7s I believe I will wait till I find the right D5 second hand for me and only after that look at some lenses for Sony and a D500.

You're comparing a 6000 dollar cam to a 2000 dollar cam. Also the D5 focus tracking must be one hellava system to beat the pants off the D750 tracking. I don't see a D750 in your list of gear. Did you forget to include it or are you just going by reviews?
Every time I pick it up to track something, I am very confident that it will just start tracking without asking any questions.
 
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Vincent

Senior Member
... I don't see a D750 in your list of gear. Did you forget to include it or are you just going by reviews?
Every time I pick it up to track something, I am very confident that it will just start tracking without asking any questions.

The point is there is lack of information and trying everything is not an option.
Who is now comparing a 6000 dollar cam to a 2000 dollar cam? Did you try a D5?

I indeed call for reviews. Sandly I do believe in science, however science has to be seen within its limits (e.g. DXO Mark). Most people find their phone camera sufficient and it is for most, it changes little for me.

Mirror blackout times I did find: D3 73s (D4s is a lot faster); 1DX (60s)
 
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