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  1. #31
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    re: Newbie's (blackstar) Moon Shot questions and helps

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar View Post
    Hey thanks, Dawg. I'll do some photo uploading later, but will be careful to avoid regret as revealing my poor photos to you guys all professional photographers. But another newbie question here: regardless "RAW" quality (I know for special shots it is the norm), which file type should I choose for regular photos: jpg fine or jpg normal? It's the file size that bothers me: jpg fine images eat more than double of jpg normal images size (~ 17 Mb vs ~ 6 Mb). What's your take?
    Normal jpg (likely even small) are plenty good enough to view at normal size on the computer or upload.
    There's enough pixels in a normal size to even crop half the picture away and still have a good one for display.

    It is fashionable these days on forums to bash this guy's website.
    But here is a good discussion of jpg size vs. quality: https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d2...y-settings.htm


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  2. #32
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    re: Newbie's (blackstar) Moon Shot questions and helps

    Quote Originally Posted by blackstar View Post
    Hey thanks, Dawg. I'll do some photo uploading later, but will be careful to avoid regret as revealing my poor photos to you guys all professional photographers.
    We're all learning here as we go, post away!

  3. #33
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    re: Newbie's (blackstar) Moon Shot questions and helps

    Hi Texas, Like your input and recommended link. Thanks
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    And thanks, Dawg and Mike, again. But don't push me, Andy

  5. #35
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    re: Newbie's (blackstar) Moon Shot questions and helps

    @blackstar
    You can always reduce the amount of space taken by a higher resolution image but you can not increase it if you want more detail. When I look at 10 or 20 year old digital images, its comical how grainy they are and how I wish I could make them look better. My first digital camera used a 3 1/2" floppy disk that held 1.44 mb of data back in the late 90's or early 2000's. Storage is cheap. My suggestion would be to shoot at least JPG fine and just invest in more storage. 10-20 years from now, we'll be joking that pictures only took up 20mb of space. I shoot RAW and JPG fine, BTW and my raw images can be 50mb each. In the last year, I have filled up a 1TB hard drive, so next year I've got a 2TB hard drive to use. The externals are nice- I process on my internal hard drive and then back up to external. Hope this helps.

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    re: Newbie's (blackstar) Moon Shot questions and helps

    Hi TThrottle,

    Thanks for your insight. Understand the lighting advance of hightech stuff (you know cloud is replacing both internal and external storage now...). Storage is no worry on me, but handling and running image (size) is an issue: up to now, my old computer is still running most tasks in well acceptive time. Not any more that when I need to open a 15+ mb jpg file in an image viewing or editing program, it takes a noticeable longer (waiting) time... I have read up the article Texas referred to and mostly taken author's investigation and argument (with his photo proof) for the sake of image quality view on different image file types and sizes -- no or little difference. But still, I understand RAW files are the necessity for post processing, etc. Well, as you said, 10-20 yrs from now, we will be joking about current file size, yet when I bring up and see my family's old-time (30 yrs ago) pictures, surprisingly I am delighted to find all those grainy and fuzzy images in those low-resolution pictures fondly memorable... Will I feel the same way after 20 yrs from now? Imagine it.
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  7. #37
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    Each person has a different priority and if space is of concern, then the lower quality JPG is most functional. If space is not the concern, it sounds like you might want to look into more RAM if your computer is choking on JPG's. I needed a faster machine so I did a RAM upgrade and also swapped out the main hard drive for a SSD, what a huge difference that made! (I am a CAD drafter and need a fast machine. Pictures are my hobby and I benefit from a fast machine.) I only brought up the past digital cameras because that was the technology that we had available to us at the time and although the memories are fond, the image quality (especially printed) is not what I am used to in today's eyes. I imagine in the future, it will be a similar scenario so to me, it makes sense to use the best of whats available today for mediocre quality in the future.

  8. #38
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    re: Newbie's (blackstar) Moon Shot questions and helps

    Hi,

    I have discovered the solution to a mystery issue of setting shutter speed on d3500 (my earlier question): the camera overrides my preset speed and insists there's a limit for slow speed as 1/30... So I can never get my wanted speed for night star shot: 10", 15", or 20" and above! After accidentally digging into movie settings, there is an allowance for shooting video with manual speed and under this allowance, still a limit is applied, i.e., 1/30! I realiz this is what made me stuck in setting speed. I remove this allowance and my preset speed become king!
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  9. #39
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    re: Newbie's (blackstar) Moon Shot questions and helps

    Hi,

    I made some experimental shots on exposure. Originally when I went out for a walk in this cold, but dry night, I saw a few stars twinkling in the sky and thought maybe it's a good time for a night star shot practice. Turned out to be disappointing long-time labor in focusing to the not very bright stars (I thought first I should be able to see or focuse through the viewfinder, never got it -- I could see the foreground trees, but just couldn't focus to the stars between trees. Turn to Live view and I could only see the whole dark screen with nothing even faint trees... ). So I decided to give up for now and then I saw some neighborhood light emitting out through trees and houses thinking why not take a shot of this night scene. I set to focus the light and it seemed working. I took the shot with the star sky exposure settings -- 20", f3.5, 3200. Shockingly the replay image took me to the roof! As it looked definitely a day-light shot, not a night-light photo. I realized this must be the doing of exposure settings, so I took two more shots, one in auto mode with flash and one without flash. I attach these three images for your comments and enlightenment (hopefully no critics). Oop! Upload still failed. ??? HELP!

    Anyway, I am back to my original question: How to focus to infinity with D3500? I have watched some videos and read some articles with all the (hopefully) good ideas and yet when practicing, have no even slight success. Maybe stars are too few and not bright enough? Hope I can get this right before the real occasion comes.

  10. #40
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    re: Newbie's (blackstar) Moon Shot questions and helps

    If you are in an area with a lot of street lights, then it is easy to get what looks like a daylight shot with those settings, so you can turn down the ISO and take another shot see how it looks. Then you can decrease the exposure time and see how it looks. It depends on the environment. In a dark site without ambient light, you won't get that over exposed image.

    Trying to focus on faint stars is difficult. Did you try to zoom in as much as possible and then turn the focus ring to see if any stars showed up in the screen?

    Are you in a heavily populated area?
    "Remember to gaze up at the night sky because there is a little bit of the cosmos in each of us."


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