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  1. #1
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    Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    I tried using an N/AI-s lens in M mode, it won't allow A mode. Why am I not able to get an image unless I have camera set to highest ISO 25K something, with a +5 exposure compensation? I should not have to set the ISO so high during daylight with a wide open F/2.8 & F/1.4 lens.

    I'm beginning to regret purchasing a D3400 because there's no set non cpu lens data. Stupid me thought the D3400 would be better than the 3300.

    I can't afford the AF-s primes, so tried to save money by trying manual focus older lenses and really wanted it to work.


    I'm having a hard time trying to figure out which lower cost third party lenses will work on my camera. Only option I see right now is shooting with these high ISO + exposure settings and taking multiple photos of my subject at different F stops and hope one of them is just right


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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    The D3??? cameras just are not set up to use these lenses. You need to do some research to see what cameras you will need to use these lenses or just get the proper lenses to start with.
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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    I know d7000 will work not sure about the 5xxx series. I still use the manual lenses AIS on my digital cameras. I would look for a used d7000 as some people have upgraded to a newer model. The d7000 will let you program several AIS lenses. I always forget after the first image then set it. It will have the exif values for the lens when you do it correctly.
    not sure what the d7000 goes for but do a search.
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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    Here is Nikon's lens compatibility chart. The 3xxx series bodies require lenses with focus motors for the AF to work. As for manual focus lenses, according to this chart, they should work in manual mode (meaning you have to set your shutter speed and aperture using a hand held light meter). AF-D lenses should focus manually but be able to meter through the camera.

    I've never used a D3xxx body but would think all non-Nikon lenses would need to meet the same criteria.

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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    Quote Originally Posted by litakelley View Post
    I tried using an N/AI-s lens in M mode, it won't allow A mode. Why am I not able to get an image unless I have camera set to highest ISO 25K something, with a +5 exposure compensation? I should not have to set the ISO so high during daylight with a wide open F/2.8 & F/1.4 lens.

    I'm beginning to regret purchasing a D3400 because there's no set non cpu lens data. Stupid me thought the D3400 would be better than the 3300.

    I can't afford the AF-s primes, so tried to save money by trying manual focus older lenses and really wanted it to work.


    I'm having a hard time trying to figure out which lower cost third party lenses will work on my camera. Only option I see right now is shooting with these high ISO + exposure settings and taking multiple photos of my subject at different F stops and hope one of them is just right

    Unless something relevant has significantly changed from the D3200 to the D3400, you should be able to use non-CPU lenses just fine with it, albeit with some expected limitations. They will, of course, only work in M mode, and you have to operate everything manually. You need to know how to set the ISO, shutter speed, and aperture manually, and how to determine appropriate values for these settings.

    Using old, non-CPU lenses on modern DSLRs can work quite well, but you really need to know what you're doing to make it work.


    By the way, you manual almost certainly contains the claim that non-AI lenses cannot be used with your camera. These are lenses made before 1978, when Nikon changed the way that lenses communicated their aperture settings to the camera. No camera that depends on the AI coupling is fully compatible with the non-AI lenses, and some can even be damaged by trying to mount non-AI lenses on them. Nikon claims that the DF is the only DSLR model that can be used at all with non-AI lenses. Most of the higher models can be damaged, as I said, by trying to mount non-AI lenses on them, because the non-AI lens conflicts with the AI coupling tab on the camera. This turns out not to be an issue with the D3xx or D5xx models, because they do not have an AI coupling tab. It has been my experience that non-AI lenses work just fine on my D3200, albeit with exactly the same expected limitations that pertain to any non-CPU lenses. I can think of no good reason why the same should not be equally true of your D3400.

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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    I don't know these lenses but I wonder if you are manually opening the aperture with the lens aperture ring? It sounds like you are not doing this and the lens is stopped way down, limiting your light. You should not be needing such a high iso. Exposure compensation should not be a concern either since you cannot meter. Set say 1/60 shutter speed along with a 400 iso (auto iso turned off) and set your lens aperture with the ring to 2.8 (or the lowest you have), manually focus and snap a picture. You should certainly get some sort of image in room light. It won't be perfectly exposed, but it should not be all black.
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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    Quote Originally Posted by nickt View Post
    I don't know these lenses but I wonder if you are manually opening the aperture with the lens aperture ring? It sounds like you are not doing this and the lens is stopped way down, limiting your light. You should not be needing such a high iso. Exposure compensation should not be a concern either since you cannot meter. Set say 1/60 shutter speed along with a 400 iso (auto iso turned off) and set your lens aperture with the ring to 2.8 (or the lowest you have), manually focus and snap a picture. You should certainly get some sort of image in room light. It won't be perfectly exposed, but it should not be all black.
    I hadn't thought of this, but I'd bet that this is exactly @litakelley's problem—that she's trying to set the aperture on the camera.

    With CPU lenses, if there's an aperture ring, the correct process is to set that to the smallest aperture, and let the camera control the aperture. The G series CPU lenses don't even have an aperture ring.

    But with non-CPU lenses, the camera doesn't control the aperture—you use the aperture ring on the lens to set the aperture.

    If @litakelley is setting the aperture ring to its minimum setting, and expecting the camera to control it, then that would exactly explain her problem.

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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    I had an old Tamron adaptal lens that I never could get to expose properly even within 2 stops no matter what I tried on my D7100. The adaptal thing supposedly made the lens into an AI. I tried every possible setting of lens and camera for non-cpu lenses.
    Playing with the aperture ring on the lens, and manual mode on the camera, did allow me to get the 3 stop error but a decently exposed shot. Yes, I did try everything - web research, setting the non-cpu params in the camera, etc.

    One day I'll try a Nikon non-cpu lens but the E-series have suddenly become too pricey for what they are.

    The question for the OP is are you using a Nikon non-cpu lens, if so which one/s?
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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?
    Step-by-step to use a non-CPU lens on a D3200 (which should be applicable to @litakelley's D3400 as well)…


    Mode dial to “M”.
    Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?-2018-02-11_12.02.24n.jpg

    Set the shutter speed on the camera,using the “Command Dial”.
    Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?-2018-02-11_12.02.52n.jpg

    Set the aperture on the lens' aperture ring.
    Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?-2018-02-11_12.03.20n.jpg

    Focus, and shoot.

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    Re: Using non cpu lenses on the D3400?

    It's uncomfortable when people assume things and give condescending responses like this. I find it offensive and have to point it out that you're assumptions are incorrect.

    I SHOULD be able to use my N/AI-s lenses, but it's not working the way it's supposed to. I'm convinced that this is a model specific problem? Several of the other Nikon DX & FX bodies do not have this problem, which is why I said I regret choosing the D3400. Many of the Nikon DSLR have set non cpu lens data in the menu, the d3400 does not, and Im having this problem with it, that should not be happening according to all the published data out there.

    I clearly stated what mode used, and indicated stops used, so your responses Bob are way out of line..maybe not intentionally, but that's how it appears to me.. You're going to post a photo of the dial in M when I told you the dial was in M mode and I even told you the stops I used??? Seriously?


    FYI.. I have 28yrs experience. Film, photography and television. so you're way off base with your insinuations and assumptions that you think I was shooting with a stopped down lens.. Ugh
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