Proof that you can get a good pic with a entry camera

crewchief227

Senior Member
This is one of the first photos I took with a D5300 with the 18-55 kit lens after I figured out how to use manual mode. I don't have the D5300 anymore as I stepped up to the D7100 but I wanted to post this for people thinking about the mentioned combo. At 100% the detail is still pretty darn good if you ask me and I am pretty proud of this one given the circumstances (new to DSLR, entry camera....so on).

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egosbar

Senior Member
the 5300 is a good camera , im not sure whos saying you cant get a good photo with an entry level , great photos have been taken with a lot less cameras over the years
 

Michael J.

Senior Member
I think almost every time a new camera came out it was a good camera. Someone can make with an old camera great photos while others can have a D4s or so and the photos are not like-able.
I like some photos which you maybe don't like. So I think I should be satisfied with my photos I've taken. If so, I have such fun taking photos.

I like photos in this forum and honestly I don't care which cam was used.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
This is one of the first photos I took with a D5300 with the 18-55 kit lens after I figured out how to use manual mode. I don't have the D5300 anymore as I stepped up to the D7100 but I wanted to post this for people thinking about the mentioned combo. At 100% the detail is still pretty darn good if you ask me and I am pretty proud of this one given the circumstances (new to DSLR, entry camera....so on).

you can get nice pics out of any camera today. even phones. its being a tad hypocritical if youre saying how wonderful the D5300 is but yet you upgraded to the D7100 ;)
 

cwgrizz

Senior Member
Challenge Team
Not long ago, I had a similar discussion with an acquaintance. She was looking for a better camera to take photos of her kids. I ask what she had and she told me it was a Coolpix or something like that. I explained to her that I had seen some very good pictures taken with that type of camera. I ask her if she always used the auto settings or changed things. After some discussion, she admitted that she had not read the book or even knew how to change things. To that I replied that a new camera with more bells and whistles probably wouldn't make much difference. When she learned to use what she had to it's fullest capabilities then it was probably a good time to step up to something more advanced. Ha! I think she is still learning. ;-)
 

paul04

Senior Member
You can take a very good picture just with the camera on a mobile phone,
Just changing the angle when you take the picture can make a big difference.
I have learnt a lot from this website and looking at the pictures other people have taken :)
 

J-see

Senior Member
I got even more entry than that. ;)

It doesn't matter if it is called entry or not; what matters is the sensor inside and what it can do. The 5300 (and 3300) deliver better quality than some "pro" cams of a couple ago. The difference between entry and pro these days is mostly a matter of gimmicks.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
I got even more entry than that. ;)

It doesn't matter if it is called entry or not; what matters is the sensor inside and what it can do. The 5300 (and 3300) deliver better quality than some "pro" cams of a couple ago. The difference between entry and pro these days is mostly a matter of gimmicks.

I completely disagree. there very much is a discernible difference in IQ between higher end cameras compared to affordable bodies. especially with FF and high iso. whos shooting with it is another topic.

true that budget cameras are better than higher end cameras from years back, but thats to be expected with tech evolving.
 

J-see

Senior Member
I completely disagree. there very much is a discernible difference in IQ between higher end cameras compared to affordable bodies. especially with FF and high iso. whos shooting with it is another topic.

true that budget cameras are better than higher end cameras from years back, but thats to be expected with tech evolving.

I think you missed the "of a couple ago" part. ;)

In what is currently sold, the differences in the whole DX range are often neglectable. 3300-5300-7100; sensor wise it matters little. Even in FX, for many shots there's too little difference to justify the price difference. It's a shame since the upgrade should be a no brainer for all.

Btw, the whole "ISO" hype is of little importance for most of us. Who out there shoots most of the time in 6400 or more? I hardly see anyone here use it. Most of the time we're always trying to push it down.
 
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Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
I shoot with a D7100 while my girlfriend shoots with a D5300 so I've had opportunity to see a lot of photos from both cameras side by side. With decent glass the D5300 can certainly hold it's own against the D7100 and I'm not entirely convinced, from a purely technical standpoint, photos from the D5300 aren't just a little bit better than those coming out of the D7100. I wouldn't want to give up all the buttons, bells and whistles of my D7100 but from what I've seen first hand, and I've seen a lot, the D5300 is a "wolf in sheep's clothing".

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J-see

Senior Member
I shoot with a D7100 while my girlfriend shoots with a D5300 so I've had opportunity to see a lot of photos from both cameras side by side. With decent glass the D5300 can certainly hold it's own against the D7100 and I'm not entirely convinced, from a purely technical standpoint, photos from the D5300 aren't just a little bit better than those coming out of the D7100. I wouldn't want to give up all the buttons, bells and whistles of my D7100 but from what I've seen first hand, and I've seen a lot, the D5300 is a "wolf in sheep's clothing".
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That's the point these days; it becomes harder to see the difference between entry and pro. The main difference are the trinkets. Those trinkets are what you can remove out of the cam and still take the same shot albeit maybe requiring more skill, technique or patience. But quality-wise the shots are rather similar. The only real benefit in FX is whenever you can frame everything -but nothing more- into your shot. That's the wide and middle range usually. But even in that you could ask yourself if it is worth the price difference, quality related that is.

The main reason we now see a difference between FX and DX is because the Exif says so. I'd be curious if the data is removed how many we'd be able to pick out. It'd be easier to pick out the good lenses.

In the past it used to be different. If I had a 50$ click-clack cam and took a shot of something and some quality SLR did the same, mine looked as if I had a little guy with crayons inside. In those days, upgrading was a no-brainer. Today you wonder if it is worth it.

The new FX are better, no argument there. The question is; exactly how many $ better?
 
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BackdoorArts

Senior Member
This is one of those discussions that makes my head spin because the premise is so ridiculous.

How long has digital been around? Think about it. Go back 15 years and try and remember how many people were saying, "Why the hell are people using this technology? All the photos look like crap!!" None of them were, because it's an amazingly stupid premise (though I'd posit that it's a more reasonable comparison that yours, pairing two current generation sensors and assuming one is less capable).

Sensors in DSLRs from 15 years ago pale in comparison to what I have in my phone now. But my word, there are some amazing photos that were taken with them. It has so much less to do with the camera and so much more to do with the person using it. Know your gear and know its (and your) limitations and then exploit all the strong points. With today's gear, give a monkey a camera and decent light and even they can take a good picture. Don't believe me?

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Every digital camera ever made is capable of taking a good shot. Heck, every digital camera ever made is capable of taking a great shot, or it wouldn't have come out. After shooting with my D7000 for a half year I spent a summer shooting exclusively with my iPhone because, heck, it was easier to carry on the road, and it takes damn good photos.

So, I would say that if you've moved up a notch and look back at a photo taken with your old gear and the best you can come up with is, "At 100% the detail is still pretty darn good if you ask me", then I would suggest that perhaps you should have spent more time and learned to get to "still pretty damn great", because that's what that camera is capable of, and a jump in model is not going to fix the things that prevented you from getting there with the D5300.

Now know that my intent is merely slamming you for your post because I realize, as you've said, that you're fairly new to all this and I have to assume your move to the D7100 had purpose beyond just getting better photos out of your gear. But I need to be ultra-critical of the post because it's ridiculous stuff like this that confuses the crap out of people wondering about what camera to get, or what's right for them. More expensive, when talking bodies, doesn't always mean "better pictures". The differences in bodies deal primarily with available features and extremes in lighting and hardware, not with IQ. Grab the same piece of glass, a D3300, D5300 and D7100, and some good light and a nice subject and you better be able to take at least a good photo with each of them or you're spending too much time typing and not enough time shooting. Hell, even if you want to point to the DxOMark numbers and shout, "Look how much better X is than Y!!", you're failing to realize that the numbers are based more in how it shoots on the extreme edges of normal photography, and if you look at every current DX Nikon I'm guessing that they all score pretty damn high at ISO 100 with the 18-55mm at f8.

Know what it is you need in a camera before you buy, then learn how to use it by shooting it to death. If your pictures are only so-so, I'm willing to lay down some major pocket change that it's the operator and not the equipment, so make sure when you upgrade you're investing the time and money in the part that's under-performing otherwise, more than likely, you're wasting it.

Horse dead and well beaten.
 

pk63015

Senior Member
I heard Jared Polin make a comment which stated " any camera in his hands is a Pro Camera ".. So I believe if you know what you are doing, you can make do with a $500 body and lens.📷
 
I heard Jared Polin make a comment which stated " any camera in his hands is a Pro Camera ".. So I believe if you know what you are doing, you can make do with a $500 body and lens.


I have shot with the D3100, D5100, D7000 and the D7100

I have pushed all these camera to their limit I think. Yes, I did get good photos with the D3100 but my photos with the D7100 far exceed the ones with the D3100. I don't think I have reached the limit with the D7100 yet though.

In your comment you use the term "Make do" and if that is what you are satisfied with then more power to you. I want to go a lot further than that.
 

Pretzel

Senior Member
I heard Jared Polin make a comment which stated " any camera in his hands is a Pro Camera ".. So I believe if you know what you are doing, you can make do with a $500 body and lens.

AMEN

The most important upgrade you can make, these days, for "pro photos" is in the space right behind the viewfinder. (hint: it's the nut holding the camera)
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
I have shot with the D3100, D5100, D7000 and the D7100

I have pushed all these camera to their limit I think. Yes, I did get good photos with the D3100 but my photos with the D7100 far exceed the ones with the D3100. I don't think I have reached the limit with the D7100 yet though.

In your comment you use the term "Make do" and if that is what you are satisfied with then more power to you. I want to go a lot further than that.

While I understand what makes you say that, Don, I know for a fact that the things I've learned since upgrading bodies would have enabled me to shoot that much better with the previous ones. So while you may have pushed the limits of certain features, I suspect that were someone to pry that D7100 from your hands and stick a D3100 back in there you might just surprise yourself with the shots you can take with it now, several years down the road.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
Btw, the whole "ISO" hype is of little importance for most of us. Who out there shoots most of the time in 6400 or more?



ISO is not a hype . There are people on this forum who shoot High school football games, indoor concerts and events and such, where a high shutter speed is a must for freezing action and getting clean shots in low light.
Try shooting birds in flight in the afternoon or on a cloudy day at ISO 400 or even 800 and you'll see how important a high ISO capable camera is.
Even on the D7100 I rarely want to push it above 800 and 1600 would be the max that I would go, where on a FX camera (from what I hear) ISO 4000 is a breeze.
 
While I understand what makes you say that, Don, I know for a fact that the things I've learned since upgrading bodies would have enabled me to shoot that much better with the previous ones. So while you may have pushed the limits of certain features, I suspect that were someone to pry that D7100 from your hands and stick a D3100 back in there you might just surprise yourself with the shots you can take with it now, several years down the road.

I am sure I could. BUT I know I can get better ones with the D7100. And I do conceal carry so I doubt anyone would be able to take my D7100. ;)

There have been people here who keep telling me and other that FX is the only way to go because of the quality difference. They are right in the quality and feature jump but at this point I really am pretty happy with the D7100. I am sure at some point a few years from now I will probably make that jump.
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
]There have been people here who keep telling me and other that FX is the only way to go because of the quality difference. They are right in the quality and feature jump but at this point I really am pretty happy with the D7100. I am sure at some point a few years from now I will probably make that jump.

While I haven't told you, I am happy to jump on the bandwagon. The D7100 is a great camera, but it can't touch any of the FX bodies - even those with a OLPF. Best it could do is match them under normal conditions, all other things being equal. But it's a damn fine camera that I won't get rid of until a D400 or something similar materializes that'll do 6-8fps for at least 3 seconds.
 
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