Thom Hogan - More Nikon Shooters Leaving The Ranks To Shoot Other Brands
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BackdoorArts
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Yawn.
(Not directed at you, Chris)
(Not directed at you, Chris)
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*reads article*
*rolls eye's*
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*reads article*
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^ this , nothing towards you Chris as I think its just a sign of the times and for most they will always move to whats hot. For me I like Nikon, invested or not and will stay with Nikon unless they take a total plunge down the toilet.
Almost all of the local shooters I know use Canon, it still didnt sway me towards Canon. I read this same stuff between Apple and Windows or some other latest and greatest builder of the best PC on the market.
Almost all of the local shooters I know use Canon, it still didnt sway me towards Canon. I read this same stuff between Apple and Windows or some other latest and greatest builder of the best PC on the market.
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Brand "loyalty" has always been a nebulous thing. As a company moves through time, people come, people go, decisions are made, and before long, the company you fell in love with doesn't exist any more. I shot Minolta. Loved them, as much as one can love a camera company. The cameras did what I wanted them to, and I liked how they worked (and even looked) in the film era. Minolta, alas, was so laggard in getting a DSLR out to market that by the time they did, I had moved on. A couple years later and Minolta didn't make cameras any more.
Nikon still makes great cameras that fit a lot of people's needs, but like any company they really do need to listen to what shooters say they want. Making marvelous cameras that people can't really afford (Df) or that miss on image quality (Nikon 1) just won't work in today's competitive market.
Nikon still makes great cameras that fit a lot of people's needs, but like any company they really do need to listen to what shooters say they want. Making marvelous cameras that people can't really afford (Df) or that miss on image quality (Nikon 1) just won't work in today's competitive market.
Over the last year Thom's articles seem to get more and more bitter. It's almost as though he's priming for a jump and making sure he's rewarded properly when the time comes.
As for DX, it mainly aimed at the cost or weight conscious amateur market, not pros, so this guy is pretty irrelevant and won't be a reason for Nikon to stop making DX. Most people on DX regard the D7100 price as high and wouldn't move to an FX where the lenses all cost more than a top DX body. I suspect DX still represents volume for Nikon.
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As for DX, it mainly aimed at the cost or weight conscious amateur market, not pros, so this guy is pretty irrelevant and won't be a reason for Nikon to stop making DX. Most people on DX regard the D7100 price as high and wouldn't move to an FX where the lenses all cost more than a top DX body. I suspect DX still represents volume for Nikon.
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Have to agree here, I made the switch to nikon recently and I couldn't be happier. If old Thom made the switch for better video, good for him, I couldn't care less about video, I doubt I will ever use it. If nikon listens to him and develops their video capabilities, then that's just one more thing I'll have to pay for that I don't need.
Nikon didn't start yesterday, I'm sure they are studying the trends and developing what's required. Shifting brands isn't a decision to the take lightly, starting a new glass collection from scratch is a very expensive exercise. I love my new D610 and there is nothing I need it to do that it won't do and I don't care what Sony or anyone else does. It's not brand loyalty, because I'm new to the brand, Nikon just make good stuff.
We all enjoy photography. for me, it provides satisfaction when i capture a photo and it moves me, helps me capture in time a memory that will last because of that photo. I use Nikon - for now. Canons do some things better, Sony as well, and then there is Olympus and Fuji. If Nikon cannot provide what i need, i will look elsewhere, unless the cost of switching is prohibitive. Thom has a point and it isn't merely about video. It is about a company that is dependent on the sale of cameras and lenses needing to listen to its consumers and its potential consumers. A simple matter - but one that many companies cannot accomplish. SHould Nikon lose its market share, it may not have the capital to provide the new products i need to accomplish what i wish from my love of photography. SO i want Nikon to listen and i am grateful for any pressure that is placed on Nikon to respond to OUR needs, to produce reliable products, to be innovative, to create products that help me travel light while getting the most out of photography and videography. I hope nikon creates a corporate culture that emphasizes reliable, innovative, excellent products at a price i can afford and that its corporate culture adapts before it becomes irrelevant.
I didn't realize that DX was in the coffin and someone started to put nails in it. No offence Chris, and I say this with all due respect, but you seem to be developing an obsession over this.
Covers it i think
!0 reasons, nail in the coffin... you trying to say something?
Nikon D7100 vs Sony A7R - Our Analysis
Wow, look at that. 91 to 74, and that's comparing a DX to a full frame.
Guess what, still doesn't mean anything... Shoot what ya like, and celebrate the good photos from people who shoot what they like.
Nikon D7100 vs Sony A7R - Our Analysis
Wow, look at that. 91 to 74, and that's comparing a DX to a full frame.
Guess what, still doesn't mean anything...
Shoot what ya like, and celebrate the good photos from people who shoot what they like.!0 reasons, nail in the coffin... you trying to say something?
Nikon D7100 vs Sony A7R - Our Analysis
Wow, look at that. 91 to 74, and that's comparing a DX to a full frame.
Guess what, still doesn't mean anything...
I agree, those are nonsense ratings. Look at image quality and high ISO noise and the Sony clearly wins. If those are your main criterion for your work, you'd be wise to choose the Sony. And c'mon, "Thinner" is an advantage?
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!0 reasons, nail in the coffin... you trying to say something?
Nikon D7100 vs Sony A7R - Our Analysis
Wow, look at that. 91 to 74, and that's comparing a DX to a full frame.
Guess what, still doesn't mean anything...
Snapsort should not exist. I say this because of the way they score cameras. It is very misleading to someone who is just coming into the camera world. As a matter of fact, it is very comparable to KR's site. Case in point, when Snapsort lists the advantages of the D7100 over the A7, here are some of the things they list: built in focus motor, higher resolution screen, larger screen, built in flash and an optical viewfinder. These features, according to Snapsort, makes the D7100 a "better" camera then the A7, hence the higher score. What BS. The Sony does not need a built in focus motor since all it's lenses have their own motor. In regards to the screen, who cares. Any photographer worth his salt is going to do editing on a computer anyhow. Built in flash? Yeah, okay, it's nice to have. But, the D4 does not have a bulit in flash. Does that make the D7100 better? Optical viewfinder? Well, that really is a personal choice. One necessarily is not better then the other. If the above features make a "better" camera for someone, okay. Though, i would rather go for the camera that gives me better IQ and better performance in low light and that is the A7. Snapsort should stop giving scores. What is most important, at least to me, is what comes out of the camera. I could care less about screen size or screen resolution or focus motors. Some of the best photographs ever produced, were made by cameras that had none of that.
As for the article, i will agree with other people, yawn. I am sure there is some grain of truth to it all, but we are talking about pros. Amateurs and enthusiasts outnumber "pros". The guy dumped Nikon for Sony because Sony had what he wanted in regards to Video. Good for him.
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I didn't realize that DX was in the coffin and someone started to put nails in it. No offence Chris, and I say this with all due respect, but you seem to be developing an obsession over this.
Not really Blacktop.....just scanning articles and happened to see some that favored Sony....doesn't happen every day. No obsession here. I will say this, Thom Hogan's article was pretty bland. Not really that informative....but relevant none the less.
Snapsort ratings can be silly, but the comparison of features between cameras can be useful.
I agree that the "advantage" cited is often silly. I don't like cameras that are too light, so the "advantage" does not go to Sony for me. I want the narrower field of view of the smaller DX sensor for my wildlife shots. So, again, the "advantage" of Sony's larger sensor does not apply to my application.
Still, things like battery life, viewfinder type, number of focus points, number of lenses available, extra SD card slot, and built in flash are all things that are important to me and would rule the Sony out for me.
If I felt I had a problem with image quality or noise at high ISO, I guess I'd be looking around. The D7100 does just fine for me in these areas, though.
Now, with video, I simply can't give an informed opinion. I have never even used the video on any of my cameras. So, again, that's a feature that may make a big difference to many, but is something I could (and do) live without completely.
I agree that the "advantage" cited is often silly. I don't like cameras that are too light, so the "advantage" does not go to Sony for me. I want the narrower field of view of the smaller DX sensor for my wildlife shots. So, again, the "advantage" of Sony's larger sensor does not apply to my application.
Still, things like battery life, viewfinder type, number of focus points, number of lenses available, extra SD card slot, and built in flash are all things that are important to me and would rule the Sony out for me.
If I felt I had a problem with image quality or noise at high ISO, I guess I'd be looking around. The D7100 does just fine for me in these areas, though.
Now, with video, I simply can't give an informed opinion. I have never even used the video on any of my cameras. So, again, that's a feature that may make a big difference to many, but is something I could (and do) live without completely.
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I need to make an adjustment on the makers of Nikon's sensors. Here goes:
Just a point of clarification: the sensor in the Nikon D7100 is made by Toshiba. Not Sony. In the past, Nikon has made its OWN sensors. The sensors of the D3, D3s, D700 and D3100 are made by Nikon | Nikon Rumors
The Nikon D4 sensor is made by Nikon. The D3200 sensor is Nikon-made. The D5200 has a Toshiba sensor. The D800/D800e sensor was made by Sony. The new D5300 has a Toshiba-made sensor.
Nikon DSLR (Digital Camera) Comparison by Thom Hogan
According to what I read in Hogan's column, the Sony/Nikon exclusive use agreement on the 36-MP sensor made by Sony is going to EXPIRE soon, which makes me wonder if perhaps Pentax or Canon might buy some of the awesome D800/D800e type sensors and start using those in their camera offerings. It's been rumored that Pentax has a full-frame d-slr in the works.
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Just a point of clarification: the sensor in the Nikon D7100 is made by Toshiba. Not Sony. In the past, Nikon has made its OWN sensors. The sensors of the D3, D3s, D700 and D3100 are made by Nikon | Nikon Rumors
The Nikon D4 sensor is made by Nikon. The D3200 sensor is Nikon-made. The D5200 has a Toshiba sensor. The D800/D800e sensor was made by Sony. The new D5300 has a Toshiba-made sensor.
Nikon DSLR (Digital Camera) Comparison by Thom Hogan
According to what I read in Hogan's column, the Sony/Nikon exclusive use agreement on the 36-MP sensor made by Sony is going to EXPIRE soon, which makes me wonder if perhaps Pentax or Canon might buy some of the awesome D800/D800e type sensors and start using those in their camera offerings. It's been rumored that Pentax has a full-frame d-slr in the works.
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