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<blockquote data-quote="WayneF" data-source="post: 340070" data-attributes="member: 12496"><p>I cannot account for any color difference in the lenses, I would expect them to be the same. Instead, I would imagine the indoor situation just was different, and I suspect the real problem is Auto ISO, which is a known effect.</p><p></p><p>There are differences in various models and features, but I am speaking of the internal flash.</p><p></p><p>Auto ISO in a dim place where we need flash will increase high enough (if it can) so that flash is not needed. Then the (internal) flash (which is TTL BL mode) becomes weaker fill flash for the more properly exposed ambient.</p><p></p><p>However, the ambient indoors is probably incandescent lights, which are are in fact rather orange. High ISO and a better ambient exposure shows that orange off well. Normally we would use Incandescent white balance then, to remove the orange, but the flash is more blue. Incandescent white balance will make the flash look quite blue, like incandescent is quite orange. Mixing light source colors that way is rather difficult to do, the mix would be tough in Raw too.</p><p></p><p>So, to mix less, in this previous orange place, try a one time test turning Auto ISO off, and set it low, ISO 200 or 400. This keeps the orange out, too dim to register so much. The internal flash is relatively weak, but I bet you like the indoor color better (if using flash WB, and incandescent ambient is less exposed)... and will like the lower ISO too.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There are other quirks of the Auto ISO system which can easily confuse what we see, a few more words need to be said.</p><p></p><p>If you used a hot shoe flash, on the D300, the Auto ISO would stay at Minimum (probably 200) with flash, because, well, because you are using flash instead. Nikon models of D300 and older did that - kept Auto ISO at Minimum when hot shoe flash was used. This was a good thing. Actually, Auto ISO could increase, but only when it was judged that the flash power level would be otherwise insufficient for the flash exposure. But not the internal flash, which is less powerful, and which allows high ISO at all times.</p><p></p><p>However, the following D300S was the first of a new Auto ISO system (the newer camera models), when Auto ISO would go very high indoors, without regard to if flash was used or not, for both internal or external flash. So users with newer camera models will see this a little different. They probably always want to turn Auto ISO off with flash indoors.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WayneF, post: 340070, member: 12496"] I cannot account for any color difference in the lenses, I would expect them to be the same. Instead, I would imagine the indoor situation just was different, and I suspect the real problem is Auto ISO, which is a known effect. There are differences in various models and features, but I am speaking of the internal flash. Auto ISO in a dim place where we need flash will increase high enough (if it can) so that flash is not needed. Then the (internal) flash (which is TTL BL mode) becomes weaker fill flash for the more properly exposed ambient. However, the ambient indoors is probably incandescent lights, which are are in fact rather orange. High ISO and a better ambient exposure shows that orange off well. Normally we would use Incandescent white balance then, to remove the orange, but the flash is more blue. Incandescent white balance will make the flash look quite blue, like incandescent is quite orange. Mixing light source colors that way is rather difficult to do, the mix would be tough in Raw too. So, to mix less, in this previous orange place, try a one time test turning Auto ISO off, and set it low, ISO 200 or 400. This keeps the orange out, too dim to register so much. The internal flash is relatively weak, but I bet you like the indoor color better (if using flash WB, and incandescent ambient is less exposed)... and will like the lower ISO too. There are other quirks of the Auto ISO system which can easily confuse what we see, a few more words need to be said. If you used a hot shoe flash, on the D300, the Auto ISO would stay at Minimum (probably 200) with flash, because, well, because you are using flash instead. Nikon models of D300 and older did that - kept Auto ISO at Minimum when hot shoe flash was used. This was a good thing. Actually, Auto ISO could increase, but only when it was judged that the flash power level would be otherwise insufficient for the flash exposure. But not the internal flash, which is less powerful, and which allows high ISO at all times. However, the following D300S was the first of a new Auto ISO system (the newer camera models), when Auto ISO would go very high indoors, without regard to if flash was used or not, for both internal or external flash. So users with newer camera models will see this a little different. They probably always want to turn Auto ISO off with flash indoors. [/QUOTE]
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