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  1. #1
    The Dude
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    Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    Although I love my D800, Thom makes a very salient point about how Nikon has thus far handled this situation and I can't disagree with his conclusions.

    From Thom's blog - Thom Hogan's Nikon Camera, DSLR, Lens, Flash, and Book site

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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    This is more about his beef with Nikon's QC and the fact that they were more or less brushing the issue under the rug.
    As always, have nice day.


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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    I must be in a lucky bucket, after more than 4K images, I really have not seen any focusing issues, or maybe I am just not fussy enough. The 7 pictures I have posted have all been with the D800.

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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    Great to read an honest review, instead of it's great click on this link to buy so I get a kickback.
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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    Quote Originally Posted by D5100Shooter View Post
    This is more about his beef with Nikon's QC and the fact that they were more or less brushing the issue under the rug.
    Yeah, but it sure sounds like he has a legitimate beef. I certainly wouldn't buy one without knowing with absolute certainty that the problem was fixed. Would you?
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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    Quote Originally Posted by fotojack View Post
    Yeah, but it sure sounds like he has a legitimate beef. I certainly wouldn't buy one without knowing with absolute certainty that the problem was fixed. Would you?
    No, i would not. I would want to see a full press release explaining the problem, how they fixed it and an apology. And..... okay, i am getting carried away. I don't have thousands of dollars to blow on a camera. But no, i would not buy something knowing that some units have a defect. I guess i could cross my fingers, lol. It's a shame that such a great company acted like this. I am sure that quite a few people have "lost face".
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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    Here is a good video demonstration of the issue:




    I use manual focus (due to my old macro lens) so,, don't think I will really be effected by the issue.

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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    Nikon Rumours has a post made by someone with a letter from Nikon QC stating that the focus issue is resolved.

    The Nikon guys name is Aleksander Nowak, Nikon Europe Support.

    Alek claims that a "small percentage" of cameras had AF calibration problems and Nikon would gladly "readjust" the problem "WITHIN" manufacturer's warranty specifications.

    My first reaction is, WTF? Within the specs means you pay shipping if you are not near a LCS or a Nikon office. I want to know how a manufacturer can get away with selling a product with a known problem and then dinging you to return it for "repair". There has to be a class action lawsuit in the making here.

    The scary thing in all this is..... I AM ON DECK to get a D800! Do I buy or cancel? This whole issue and how Nikon is handling it has really cast a shadow over what should be an exciting and delightful purchase.

    Thom's beef has some good arguments. If Nikon is not telling us what models are effected, your $3K purchase in two years will be worthless when you try to sell to upgrade. Who will want a camera with a problem? Assuming it isn't fixed. If all it is, is in fact calibration, I would assume once it is done, you are good to go.

    Honestly, I am a little PO'ed with all this, just as I am about to drop $3.4K on a new camera, there are all these doubts on it's Quality and Performance. What should be a high for Nikon's return is turning out to be nothing more than a PR disaster if all this is true.

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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    I hear ya, photowiz, but don't fret too much. This camera is sooooo amazing and Nikon has a fix for the problem regardless whether they announce it or not, so don't worry about your upcoming copy. Yes, it sucks that the far left focus point has an issue. Yes, it would be nice if all 51 focus points would work but on the bright side, 50 out of 51 ain't all that bad. I have the problem and I've even been granted the cost of postage to Nikon but I can't quite bring myself to send it in, I'm having way too much fun with it. It's really not hard to avoid that far left focus spot and those of us who send our cameras in will have the paperwork to prove the AF has been fixed so I'm not worried about resale values. And frankly, I don't think I'll be selling this camera. So it's pretty much a moot point.
    So relax and know you're getting a kick-arse camera that may or may not focus well on the farthest left focus point. If it doesn't, no worries, just send it in. And if it's too much to handle you can always return the camera and wait to buy it in the future. But take it from me, once you get this honey in your hands you'll be reluctant to let it go regardless of the AF issue. Because all the other focus points are razor sharp.
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    Re: Thom Hogan changes D800 "Recommended" opinion to "Not Recommended"

    Thanks, I greatly appreciate the post and your thoughts. Unlike you, I can drive to Nikon, 20 minutes tops. My wait to get it back, if I suffer this is minimal, maybe 2-4 weeks.

    I had hoped that their QC had been better and as the Thom review stated, cameras shipped after July 4 shouldn't have issues. I just find it extremely offensive to drop $3k and have to deal with this or even worry about it.

    For a company that was #1 and would love to retain that title again, I believe this has all been handled poorly.

    I am buying this from a reputable chain, they are huge and have never let me down, so I will ask some questions when I am in the store and see what the options are tomorrow. I think I will call Nikon as well and see what they have to say.

    Since I am coming from a D90 with 11 points, 50 sounds like the world, but I am not happy about this whole issue. I haven't really jumped onto the AF bandwagon until now, as mine is in and I was hoping it would all be resolved by now.

    I will post in a day or two and let you know how it works out.





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