How many members have pre-ordered a D800/800E?

DW_

Senior Member
Out of curiosity, how many people on this board are waiting for a D800/E? I am waiting for a D800E and I know Bob is waiting for an 800 but are there any other members on the waiting list?

As a side note, I'm curious why people chose the 800 over the 800E. To me, it seemed the 800E was the obvious choice and even thou it's priced ~10%, I took the "in for a penny - in for a pound" rational and for a small fee I could own the single highest resolution full frame camera in the world. And even thou I know this top status will not last very long, I will enjoy every one of my 15 mins while they last!
 

bluenoser

Banned
Hi Dave! Boy I can't wait to hear what you have to say about the D800. What an exciting (for a camera) product! :)

I have not pre-ordered one - I went down that road with my D7000 back in Sept/10 and in fact just picked up a D700 a month ago. I think I'll wait at least a little while before entertaining the thought of all those extra MPs and having to add another 10TBs of storage to my computer! lol!! :)

I will say this, I would probably go for the D800 (not the E) because - as you I'm sure know - without the AA filter moire will be more common than in the D800. Now I know that it can be addressed in post but sometimes it isn't all that easy to do (at least for me that is). For the vast majority of people I would think the D800 would be the way to go but for landscape photographers in particular, I think the D800E will be highly satisfying.

However Nikon is doing a very good job of getting out in front of things by essentially cautioning consumers about the pros and cons of having no AA filter in the D800E so Nikon won't be flooded with consumer complaints wondering what this strange pattern is in their pictures! :) (although I'm sure many will still blame the camera for moire - human nature).
 

Falcon1

New member
I'm really thinking about sell my D7k after Nikon has repair it and get the D800. I'm hot for the E version but I'm going to do some studio work (pets/people) so I think I'm better of without change of moire issues. :)
 

Carolina Photo Guy

Senior Member
As a side note, I'm curious why people chose the 800 over the 800E. To me, it seemed the 800E was the obvious choice and even thou it's priced ~10%, I took the "in for a penny - in for a pound" rational and for a small fee I could own the single highest resolution full frame camera in the world.

You HAVE heard of the Hasselblad H4D-200MS?

50 Meg stacked images for a total of 200 Megapixel shots? A bit pricey, I admit at $46,000, but still a nice camera. :)
 

Dr Daniels

Senior Member
I pre-ordered the D800. My reasoning for getting the non-E version was that the small gain of resolution of the E (at least when I saw the 100% magnification photos from Nikon comparing the 2 models) does not quite justify the compromise of the risk of getting moiré and the extra price. Well that's me, I am not a pixel peeper.

I need a DSLR that is versatile. All my previous DSLRs had an AA filter, and I managed ok with it.
I'm just saying and I might be very wrong, but I think that the marginal increase of resolution from the D800E may not be perceivable to the great majority of quality demanding people looking at your photographs. What do you guys think?:confused:
 
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Sambr

Senior Member
I honestly thought about getting a "None E" version - however I will wait to see what the D400 comes out as if that doesn't rock my world than I think a D3s will be the answer for me. I thought about the D4 - however the $$$$ and the phony card slot have put the brakes on that. Ideal for me would be a 18 -20 MP APS sensor with high ISO & resolution :)
 

DW_

Senior Member
You know, I think the issue of moire is way overstated. As Nikon points out, there are a variety of ways to remove moire w/o post processing. The medium and large format studio photographers have never had AA yet seem to have no issue with aliasing. Simply moving to a slightly different angle and/or stopping down the aperture will remove any problems. So any worry I have of dealing with the remote possibility of aliasing is easily outweighed by the additional bump in sharpness and clarity. Moreover, the bulk of my photography is at mid-aperture anyway, which will seldom if ever introduce aliasing, not to mention simply choosing a slightly different focus point.

Here's Nikon's official take on the subject.


There are a few things that you can do to minimize the false color
and moiré that is inherent in a camera that does not incorporate an optical low
pass filter. The best way to solve the problem is to fix the shooting situation
before the image is captured.


  • Since the angle of the camera and subject causes moiré,
    slightly changing the angle of the camera (by rotating the camera) can remove or
    change any moiré that is present.
  • Changing the angle relationship by moving left or right, up
    or down can reduce moiré.

  • Moiré is caused by very sharp focus and high detail on fine
    patterns; slightly changing the focus point changes the sharpness and can help
    to remove moiré.
  • Different lenses or focal length settings can be used to
    alter or remove moiré.

  • Stop the lens down about 3 f/stops from its maximum
    aperture. This requires you to shoot around f/5.6 or f/8 all the time. Stopping
    the lens down to a smaller aperture (such as f/11 or f/16) will cause
    diffraction to lower the sharpness, reducing the benefit of the OLPF. This will
    easily negate the benefits of the D800E.

  • You can remove the false color in post-production, on the
    computer easier than you can the moiré pattern itself. Nikon Capture NX2’s moiré
    reduction tool for NEF (RAW) files may be able to remove some or all of the
    color moiré that does appear in the final image.
 

DW_

Senior Member
You HAVE heard of the Hasselblad H4D-200MS?

50 Meg stacked images for a total of 200 Megapixel shots? A bit pricey, I admit at $46,000, but still a nice camera. :)

I do not believe the Hasselblad is considered a full-frame camera since the sensor is larger than 28 x 19 mm but rather a medium format camera with a sensor upwards of 50 x 39 mm. Nevertheless, I should have said "the single highest resolution full frame DSLR camera in the world".
 

Carolina Photo Guy

Senior Member
I do not believe the Hasselblad is considered a full-frame camera since the sensor is larger than 28 x 19 mm but rather a medium format camera with a sensor upwards of 50 x 39 mm. Nevertheless, I should have said "the single highest resolution full frame DSLR camera in the world".

DUDE! You're taking this wayyyy too seriously! I was just yanking your chain! :)
 

DW_

Senior Member
Yeah, can you imagine trying to explain to the wife why you need a $45k camera? Heck, I'm having a hard enough time trying to explain why after buying the D7k just 3 months ago why it's necessary to plop down another $3.3k on a second camera, let alone the needed $6k+ for the whole trinity of lenses (14-24, 24-70 and 70-200). I certainly have my work cut out for me!
If after April 12th you don't see any posts from me be sure to send flowers and condolences to San Diego Mortuary. ;)
 

bluenoser

Banned
Hi Dave. I think - for you - the D800E is right up your alley. You know what you want and you are knowledgeable and aware of any potential niggles which may arise without the AA filter. However I don't think it's a no-brainer to order the D800E over the D800 - it really depends. (although ordering any of these expensive cameras for most humans is a questionable decision too! LOL! Like you, my wife see my D40, D7000 and D700 - 70-200 2.8 and 24-70 2.8 and just shakes her head. She very pleased with her point and shoot, she says it takes great pictures and thinks I'm insane! :))
 
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Sambr

Senior Member
Hi Dave. I think - for you - the D800E is right up your alley. You know what you want and any potential niggles which may arise without the AA filter. However I don't think it's a no-brainer to order the D800E over the D800 - it really depends. (although ordering any of these expensive cameras for most humans is a questionable decision too! LOL! Like you, my wife see my D40, D7000 and D700 - 70-200 2.8 and 24-70 2.8 and just shakes her head. She very pleased with her point and shoot, she says it takes great pictures and thinks I'm insane! :))

James you are insane. We all are it's the amount of $$ spent on gear that dictates the degree of insanity :)
 

gqtuazon

Gear Head
I almost did, does that count? :)

Going with the $ figures, $3,300. for the E version, add a grip, say $600 just to keep it simple. $4k.

D4: $6k. $2k difference (that's a lot of k's) will get you higher fps, lower mp compared to the D800, higher ISO, and some other cool stuff features.

Cleaner images is what I am after at higher ISO level. Granted that I will probaby be shooting below ISO 800 most of the time in order to get better DR. So why I chose the D4 over the D800E was a personal choice and hopefully it will keep my NAS down after this. A couple of prime lenses wouldn't hurt of course. :rolleyes:

Re: spouse. As long as I provide her some pictures for her face book, she'll be happy.
 

bobmielke

New member
Out of curiosity, how many people on this board are waiting for a D800/E? I am waiting for a D800E and I know Bob is waiting for an 800 but are there any other members on the waiting list?

As a side note, I'm curious why people chose the 800 over the 800E. To me, it seemed the 800E was the obvious choice and even thou it's priced ~10%, I took the "in for a penny - in for a pound" rational and for a small fee I could own the single highest resolution full frame camera in the world. And even thou I know this top status will not last very long, I will enjoy every one of my 15 mins while they last!

I had a hard enough time justifying the D800. I have exactly $3,000 in my savings and a new credit card with a $3,000 limit. The D800 was the practical decision based on finances. I wound up with the 24-70 instead of the 28-300 because I couldn't find a 28-300 anywhere. Again, the practical solution. Now when I win the lottery..... :)
 

Damp and Breezy

New member
I have a D800 on order, but I don't think I'll get it before I visit my daughter and family in Morocco next month. So it will be the D7000 which I 'know my way about' - though I keep promising myself that one day I shall read its manual, but I've been doing that for over a year.
 

Dr Daniels

Senior Member
Nikon D800 vs D800E

" If you are a portrait/fashion/studio/architectural/bird photographer, then get the Nikon D800 – you would be better off with an AA filter. If you are a landscape or a macro photographer, then you should get the Nikon D800E to get the maximum detail out of the high-quality 36.3 MP sensor."

Nikon-D800-vs-D800E-Sharpness-650x349.jpg

See also: http://www.nikonusa.com/Learn-And-E...hnology/gy43mjgu/1/Moire-and-False-Color.html
 
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