D700 replacement = D800h?

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gqtuazon

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Based on Thom Hogan's post dated 17March,

Quote:"So what's the relatively simple solution? Well, exactly what I asked for in the first place back in 2009: a D800h and a D800x. Wait just a second, we already have the D800x. It's called a D800E. Hmm. So if Nikon would take a lower megapixel sensor and drop it into the same body with a higher frame rate, we'd have a D800h. The more I think about this, the more I'm back to my original position: Nikon would be silly not to do this. It solves so many of their problems and keeps their marketing message the same as it has been for twelve years for professionals: pick performance or pixels."
Thom Hogan's Nikon Camera, DSLR, Lens, Flash, and Book site
I for one would like to have something in between but will Nikon release such model?
 
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LensWork

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I do not see Nikon bringing forth such a model. They found that with the D700 (with the MB-D10 attached and loaded with either AA batteries or the EN-EL4) and D3 being so close in performance to each other, it hurt sales of the D3. Nikon is unlikely to make the same mistake again.
 
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gqtuazon

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LensWork said:
I do not see Nikon bringing forth such a model. They found that with the D700 (with the MB-D10 attached and loaded with either AA batteries or the EN-EL4) and D3 being so close in performance to each other, it hurt sales of the D3. Nikon is unlikely to make the same mistake again.
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Maybe so but Nikon benefited on the boost in overall sales. Based on the latest survey from Thom's website, here are what his audience think that has been the best camera that Nikon released within the last 14 year period. I think the demand for such camera is still there and strong. It's up to Nikon if they are going to follow these type of surveys.

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Now for the results you've been waiting for: what's the best Nikon camera ever made? (Remember, that's perceived best, not necessarily actual best.) This list might surprise you a bit:

  1. D800 (28.7%)
  2. D3s (20.3%)
  3. D4 (15.9%)
  4. D700 (12.4%)
  5. D300 (5.1%)
  6. D3 (4.7%)
Source: Thom Hogan's Nikon Camera, DSLR, Lens, Flash, and Book site
 
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AC016

AC016

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gqtuazon said:
Maybe so but Nikon benefited on the boost in overall sales. Based on the latest survey from Thom's website, here are what his audience think that has been the best camera that Nikon released within the last 14 year period. I think the demand for such camera is still there and strong. It's up to Nikon if they are going to follow these type of surveys.

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Now for the results you've been waiting for: what's the best Nikon camera ever made? (Remember, that's perceived best, not necessarily actual best.) This list might surprise you a bit:
  1. D800 (28.7%)
  2. D3s (20.3%)
  3. D4 (15.9%)
  4. D700 (12.4%)
  5. D300 (5.1%)
  6. D3 (4.7%)
Source: Thom Hogan's Nikon Camera, DSLR, Lens, Flash, and Book site
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It's an interesting questiion to ponder. Though, it does not seem to make sense to make cameras that are so close to each other in regards to performance. Perhaps a lower MP sensor in a D800 body would be a good idea - it would give more FPS. But there is already the D700, which only has one more FPS. Could they really market such a camera to the sports photogs?? In regards to the survey, i would take the numbers with a grain of salt. You just may have a large sample of people using a D800; in which case, they will go with the obvious. You probably also have some people in there who think that just because it is the latest and greatest, they will vote for the D800. Curious about how many people actually voted on that survey.
 
BackdoorArts

BackdoorArts

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The D700 is not a current production camera according to the Nikon site, so it's obviously been pushed aside if not replaced. The real question is whether or not Nikon wants you to look up in the bracket of FX cameras to find the lower MP's and higher FPS that a sports or wildlife photographer might want/need, or if they plan on issuing a consumer (D600) or prosumer (D800) level model to fill the void. Would it be possible to build a D600-type (consumer body) with a D4 sensor and 6-7fps? Why not? It doesn't shoot them in the foot since it's still not touching the frame rate or the body type of the D4, which I believe putting the same camera in a D800-style pro body would. To me, that's the one missing link in the FX line.
 
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gqtuazon

Gear Head
AC016 said:
It's an interesting questiion to ponder. Though, it does not seem to make sense to make cameras that are so close to each other in regards to performance. Perhaps a lower MP sensor in a D800 body would be a good idea - it would give more FPS. But there is already the D700, which only has one more FPS. Could they really market such a camera to the sports photogs?? In regards to the survey, i would take the numbers with a grain of salt. You just may have a large sample of people using a D800; in which case, they will go with the obvious. You probably also have some people in there who think that just because it is the latest and greatest, they will vote for the D800. Curious about how many people actually voted on that survey.
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Similar survey was also conducted to Nikongear.com and surveys are just that, they are public opinions and may not reflect on what you believe.

We all know that the research and development have come a long way. A little over a year ago, there were a lot of people who wouldn't believe on a 36mp FX camera. Is it impossible to introduce a D800h, absolutely not. I wasn't even expecting a D600 after Nikon released the D4, D800 and D800E.

Re: Sports Photographers. I believe this was already addressed with the D4 but of course, a more affordable camera will be targeted to a specific market, something that can compete even more with the Canon 5D mk III to address the higher fps. The D700 was one of the best cameras in its time but a lot more is expected now.
 
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gqtuazon

Gear Head
BackdoorHippie said:
The real question is whether or not Nikon wants you to look up in the bracket of FX cameras to find the lower MP's and higher FPS that a sports or wildlife photographer might want/need, or if they plan on issuing a consumer (D600) or prosumer (D800) level model to fill the void. Would it be possible to build a D600-type (consumer body) with a D4 sensor and 6-7fps? Why not? It doesn't shoot them in the foot since it's still not touching the frame rate or the body type of the D4, which I believe putting the same camera in a D800-style pro body would. To me, that's the one missing link in the FX line.
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Hi Jake- I agree with you although I think a better market is if Nikon uses the same body of the D800, place a DX sensor to address the D300s replacement and another lower mp FX sensor that can have higher fps. If Nikon uses the same sensor as the D4, then I must admit that I would not be able to pass that deal.
 
BackdoorArts

BackdoorArts

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I hear you, Glenn, but I was sticking with just the FX cameras. The one hole there that I can see is more sports & wildlife oriented, consumer model. On the DX side you definitely need a high end replacement for the D300.
 
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gqtuazon

Gear Head
BackdoorHippie said:
I hear you, Glenn, but I was sticking with just the FX cameras. The one hole there that I can see is more sports & wildlife oriented, consumer model. On the DX side you definitely need a high end replacement for the D300.
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That's true. There is no doubt that the new breed of FX cameras have come a long way. A boost in speed or fps will entice certain group of photographers. More of an all around camera.
 
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