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    Re: Best settings for inside photography

    Quote Originally Posted by SacrificeTheory View Post
    My mom has the Nikon Speedlight SB-800. I guess I can start practicing on that.

    Question, should I still use the toilet paper/coffee filter trick on this external light?
    You will love the SB-800. Indoors, aim up at white ceiling for bounce at say f/5, with the builtin flash card pulled out. Low ISO. Don't stand too close, 6 or 8 feet. Zoom in if necessary.

    Try it (NOT for bounce), but the coffee filter won't help much, the flash head is still small, not enlarged. It will just reduce your flash effective power (and make the flash slightly more reddish, which you might in fact like, for warming). If you could mount a 5 inch coffee filter a few inches in front of the flash, so the flash could illuminate all of it, then that becomes double size, and would help slightly, at close distances. Soft lighting is about Large lights.

    Diffusion - is good, because of coming from Large lights (umbrellas, softboxes), which scatter the outer light inward, to hit the subject from different angles. Different angles soften the shadows from all the other angles.

    Diffusing a tiny light only has dimension to just scatter it outwards, missing the subject. Soft requires Large.


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    Re: Best settings for inside photography

    You might also try slow sync flash even with the built in flash to make use of the indoor lighting more. But still the best is bounce flash.

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    Re: Best settings for inside photography

    Quote Originally Posted by WayneF View Post
    You will love the SB-800. Indoors, aim up at white ceiling for bounce at say f/5, with the builtin flash card pulled out. Low ISO. Don't stand too close, 6 or 8 feet. Zoom in if necessary.

    Try it (NOT for bounce), but the coffee filter won't help much, the flash head is still small, not enlarged. It will just reduce your flash effective power (and make the flash slightly more reddish, which you might in fact like, for warming). If you could mount a 5 inch coffee filter a few inches in front of the flash, so the flash could illuminate all of it, then that becomes double size, and would help slightly, at close distances. Soft lighting is about Large lights.

    Diffusion - is good, because of coming from Large lights (umbrellas, softboxes), which scatter the outer light inward, to hit the subject from different angles. Different angles soften the shadows from all the other angles.

    Diffusing a tiny light only has dimension to just scatter it outwards, missing the subject. Soft requires Large.
    So if I am the light (SB-800) towards the ceiling, you think that will be enough light to give a natural look?

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    Re: Best settings for inside photography

    Quote Originally Posted by SacrificeTheory View Post
    So if I am the light (SB-800) towards the ceiling, you think that will be enough light to give a natural look?
    Bounce flash is a great way to use flash indoors. If I have a ceiling that is the only way I will shoot. Just take your camera out right now and put the flash on. Shoot the wall opposite of you with the flash pointing directly at it. Not flip the flash up and try it again and look at the difference,

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  5. #15
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    Re: Best settings for inside photography

    Quote Originally Posted by SacrificeTheory View Post
    So if I am the light (SB-800) towards the ceiling, you think that will be enough light to give a natural look?
    Well, maybe not ISO 100. Sorry, I said "Low ISO" wrong for bounce. I meant, maybe ISO 400, but specifically meant NOT Auto ISO with an astronomical high limit, not if using flash too. And you don't want the orange incandescent in there anyway. (Some do think TTL BL fill flash into ambient at high ISO is reasonable, but not me - tough White Balance without a CTO filter on the flash). I choose TTL Mode (not TTL BL) indoors, if offered the choice. Some don't offer it though. TTL BL may need up to +1 EV Flash Compensation.

    SB-800 TTL and ISO 200 f/5.6 should do a 10 foot ceiling (a normal white ceiling). Depends some how high you are, if standing, or sitting on the floor with the kids may need ISO 400. My normal routine failsafe preference is ISO 400 f/5 for a fast recycle. That is with a f/2.8 lens, which is great at f/5, and the 2.8 lens is the best accessory for bounce, as it is not wide open.

    If an 8 foot ceiling, you can drop back a stop, either ISO or aperture, maybe even both, but ISO 400 f/4 probably does up to a 12 foot ceiling (standing, commercial white ceilings). For higher reach, you will need a little more ISO.

    Watch the Ready LED. If it takes 2 or 3 seconds with NiMH, you are skating on the edge at maximum power. If it instead blinks three times immediately after the shot, it was limited at maximum power, and the top right corner of flash LCD tells you how much it was underexposed (so you know how much to correct).

    The SB-800 manual is at
    http://www.nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/...hts/SB-800.pdf

    You need to know page 33 about the Ready LED. All the flash manuals have a page about the Ready LED warnings.

    Otherwise, just set TTL, aim it up, pull out the white bounce card (maybe only half way out if it is a bit much), and shoot at ISO 400 f/5.
    Last edited by WayneF; 07-23-2013 at 03:22 AM.

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    Re: Best settings for inside photography

    Quote Originally Posted by SacrificeTheory View Post
    So if I am the light (SB-800) towards the ceiling, you think that will be enough light to give a natural look?
    Mount the flash on the camera and go find out.
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