Heading to Adorama in NYC, D600 tradeup?

eurotrash

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So my girlfriend and I are heading to NYC this December to see all the lights, sounds etc. and I noticed that Adorama is based in NYC.

I have thoughts about trading up my D7k and my 16-85 for a refurbished D600. The refurbs are going for $1500 on their site currently. I'm hoping to get about $900-1000 for the D7k+16-85 combo so that hopefully I'm only out of pocket around $400-$500. My only lens then would be a 50mm 1.4. Do you guys think this is a wise move or should I wait it out for a D610? To my knowledge there aren't many compelling features in the 610 to make a huge difference. Though the price of a refurbed 600 is pretty dang good!
 

eurotrash

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Oh, I also wanted to ask if you guys think that having the original box would add value to the trade in. Lugging a D7k + lens kit box up to NYC in a backpack would be well...inconvenient to say the least ;)
 

Mark F

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For an individual buyer buying used equipment, having the original box and paperwork would have an impact on the sale. Price? Don't know. For a company like adorama, they have set prices for equipment trade ins and you might not agree with the value they place on it. You would most likely do better selling off craigslist in your area or here in the marketplace.


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hark

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Adorama does offer the option to get a quote if you go through their web site. B&H has a way to get a quote if you plug in specific features and condition. Either of these options might give you an idea of how much they will pay. Remember, they will want to turn around and sell used gear so their prices will be lower than if you were to sell it yourself.

Personally I cannot recommend the D600 even as a refurbished model after the problems I encountered while trying to get mine fixed. No matter whether you go for a refurbished or new D600, the odds of you having the dust/oil spots will be high. In my case, it wouldn't stop despite having 2 shutters installed. You might want to reconsider a different camera IMHO.
 

PapaST

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Also, if you trade-in they will have to vet your D7000. That could take 15 minutes since you're "in-store" or it could take 2 days. I'm not sure how they handle walk ups, but it's something to consider. Adorama is currently selling D7000 refurbs for about a $1,000 with 18-105 lens. So your estimation might be a little high considering they are going to put their own margin in there. I would call/email Adorama and start a trade-in case for your D7000. Someone will contact you via email and phone. When you talk to them they won't give you exact numbers but they'll give you an idea of what things are going for right now. That might help you decide if you want to sell your camera privately. And you can ask them then if the box is worth lugging up there. They're always eager to help.

Also, to encourage swapping a camera they are more apt to work a deal with you. But it's usually for free stuff rather than knocking down prices... but it never hurts to try. Good luck.
 

BackdoorArts

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I love my D600, but as Hark mentioned, refurbs probably only mean they went through the same testing that the D600's went through before getting shipped back on warranty, and seeing that they come with only a 90 day warranty (plus one year if you have an Adorama VIP membership - though I have no idea if that means that they pay for warranty service with Nikon, which means replacing the shutter, or go through their own repair service, which means you'll get a cleaning). It's a great camera, but with this particular issue it's not one I'd jump on unless I was willing to clean and clean again until the shutter settles down, if it's problematic. For me the price would need to be in the $1200 range for me to justify rolling the dice on another D600. And more than that and you're still just rolling the dice, and you're better off with a new D610 with full warranty.

As for trade in, you're better off selling it on your own. I'm guessing they'd offer you $700 tops, with the boxes, and only because you're looking to spend more money.
 

hrphotography

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I would not recommend D600 even NEW for 1500. if u get the bad shutter & spots, which is likely, u will only get 3 months warranty from Nikon. If you are selling your camera, this is a good chance for you to abandon ship :)

When i bought my D600, Canon's 6D was about to be launched. But i just didnt want to wait and got D600. D600 without the spots problem is slightly better than 6D, but after going thru 2 shutter replacement and dealing with the horrible customer service at Nikon who is not even acknowledging the problem....i seriously wish i had taken 6D.

I read reviews at that time as well about the dust problem on adorama's website before buying it.....but i thought....nah.... that must be a rare thing...unlikely will happen with me.....and guess what .....it did...like it happened with many others and still happening with that model. there is no known fix to it other than to get shutters changed....or clean it very frequently.

​I regret my decision .......but its too late for me...not for you!
 

Mark F

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I would not recommend D600 even NEW for 1500. if u get the bad shutter & spots, which is likely, u will only get 3 months warranty from Nikon. If you are selling your camera, this is a good chance for you to abandon ship :)

When i bought my D600, Canon's 6D was about to be launched. But i just didnt want to wait and got D600. D600 without the spots problem is slightly better than 6D, but after going thru 2 shutter replacement and dealing with the horrible customer service at Nikon who is not even acknowledging the problem....i seriously wish i had taken 6D.

I read reviews at that time as well about the dust problem on adorama's website before buying it.....but i thought....nah.... that must be a rare thing...unlikely will happen with me.....and guess what .....it did...like it happened with many others and still happening with that model. there is no known fix to it other than to get shutters changed....or clean it very frequently.

​I regret my decision .......but its too late for me...not for you!

You do not have to abandon ship! Nikon has put the d600 and it's owners behind them.
My suggestion... Buy the d610. Or wait until the d610 comes up as refurbs or available used. My thoughts are that the d610 will hold value better than the d600 though.
My only regret ( not really a regret ) was that I made the choice between the d600 and d700
D600 picture quality wise is fantastic... D700 build quality is a whole lot better. Both take great shots.
If you want to trade up... Don't go to canon. They have their own lemons too



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eurotrash

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Interesting thoughts across the board. I might as well wait till the holidays die down a little and the prices of the 610 may just drop slightly. Really, I'm not in the mood to pay more than around 1700 for a body..
 

hrphotography

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one more thing...if i was in ur place and i had $2000, before even getting a D610 I would think what assurance do i have that D610 will not have that same issue? Nikon never acknowledged the issue in D600 and never officially said that its not gonna happen in D610. The likelyhood of shutter spots in D610 is low....but if something like that happens....Nikon will LIKELY deal with the matter the same way it dealt with D600 users....throw them under!
 

BackdoorArts

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And honestly...the 600 just scares me with all the reported issues. Even if blown out of proportion sometimes.

That's one reported issue. The rest is just noise around it. I believe the pervasiveness has been blown out of proportion, but the fact that the "fix" is of the "keep sending it back to us until we get one that works for you" variety it's serious enough.
 

BackdoorArts

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one more thing...if i was in ur place and i had $2000, before even getting a D610 I would think what assurance do i have that D610 will not have that same issue? Nikon never acknowledged the issue in D600 and never officially said that its not gonna happen in D610. The likelyhood of shutter spots in D610 is low....but if something like that happens....Nikon will LIKELY deal with the matter the same way it dealt with D600 users....throw them under!

With that logic you should never buy another Nikon product again... and never fly anyone but Quantas.

 

eurotrash

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The question really is what the realistic probability of a problem happening is with the refurbished camera, not just any camera, but one with known issues to begin with. I Dont know the answer to that question. I was just under the assumption that since it was factory refurbished quote unquote, that it would have a lower probability of having a problem
 

Rick M

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If many have been returned and refurbished with a new defective shutter you are no better off. Keep in mind that Nikon believes putting in the same defective shutter is a fix as evident with all the repeat repairs. There have been a lot of users testing and reporting the D610 is clean.
 

eurotrash

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If many have been returned and refurbished with a new defective shutter you are no better off. Keep in mind that Nikon believes putting in the same defective shutter is a fix as evident with all the repeat repairs. There have been a lot of users testing and reporting the D610 is clean.

I may then wait for the 610. Sounds like it is a better buy with no reported issues.
 

Marcel

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You should invest in a good lens instead of going to a FX body with only one lens.

​But it's only my opinion.
 

BackdoorArts

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I may then wait for the 610. Sounds like it is a better buy with no reported issues.

I believe this is your best bet. I have no inside information with Nikon, but the more stories I hear the more I have to believe that there's just something inherently wrong with the D600 shutter than cannot be sussed out prior to integrating it into the camera. You'd think that you could test for excess lubricant, but what if it only happens under conditions inside the camera body - a little added pressure from a mounting screw or something? And once it's in there, how many shutter actuations do you allow for post-assembly, and how much of a PITA is it to reset all those counters on the chips so people don't freak when they get a camera that already has 40 shutter actuations (someone here was worried about getting a returned camera when there was 25!!). It's likely a problem that was totally impractical to solve, which is why the D610 is here so quickly. So, if the D600 was work $2K, the D610 is as well. Life holds no guarantees, but so far so good on this one.
 

BackdoorArts

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You should invest in a good lens instead of going to a FX body with only one lens.

​But it's only my opinion.

Marcel makes a good point. What is it about the the D7000 that has you wanting to trade it? Take a hard look at the D7100 if you want more resolution, and see what they'll give you in trade on the D7000 body while keeping the lenses. Or just take a look at some glass.
 
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