I am so upset with the lack of software out there Any wifi enabled software?

remaxman

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I bought Camera Control Pro 2 for my d5300. It said in the ad that it works on wifi cameras. WRONG. It works on adapters connected to SOME cameras. Is there anything out there I can use for my d5300 besides the archaic wmu. I'm looking for software I can use to connect my cam to my laptop. Any ideas?
 

remaxman

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Thank you so much. Just what I have been looking for. BUT....how do I connect it. I turned on wifi on my camera but the software doesnt see it. Any help? Instructions were very confusing for me.
 

RocketCowboy

Senior Member
Everything I've read from Nikon, be it the D5300 manuals or the spec sheets for the other Nikon wifi adapters, specifically mentions only iOS and Android support. I don't think Nikon intends for wifi to replace USB tethering, so there may not be much of an option.

The D5300 will set up as a wifi access point, so getting a home router to connect to it would require configuring the router to extend (ie bridge) a network like a repeater, rather than the default mode that a home router would operate in. Simply put, all the configuration is done on the router, the camera has very little configuration to it.
 

yauman

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So I need to buy a router just for the camera to be a sever? Cant the d5300 just connect to my laptop?

You misunderstood how wifi works. Wifi devices are NOT point-to-point (peer-to-peer) communications devices - it's part of the Internet and internets devices requires servers and routers. An IR remote trigger for your camera or a pair of walkie-talkie are point-to-point wireless communication devices. Wifi is a "star-configuration" - ie many devices are connected to a wifi router ("Access Point" - AP) as the hub and they communicate to each other only through the hub - the AP device. Only the AP device (The Hub) knows of all the devices connected to it - the other device do not. If you have a computer and a printer all with wifi, your computer do not "know" where to send the print job. It knows only the address it needs to send to and pass it to the AP. The AP looks at the package and say "oh, that's the address of the printer - I know where it is" and routes the print job to the printer. How does it know? Because the AP is the one who doled out the addresses. Your computer send stuff to the printer or it may send stuff to Amazon.com - the AP looks at each "package" from device connected to it and decide if that package should go to the printer or off to the your ISP (Internet Service Provider) to find Amazon.com. So for your computer to print to a wifi printer, both must share a common wifi router ("be on the same network.")

So, there are no Wifi devices that can communicate directly with another device unless that device can also doubles as a wifi router. Your computer can be set up as "peer-to-peer" network which means that two computers can just talk to each other and no one else - but one of the computers must doubles as a Wifi router (AP device emulation.) Your iPhone can be setup in "Tether mode" and become a Wifi router/AP device to let other computers hook up to it but cell phone service provider severely restrict what routing function it can provide as an AP device - it can only route your computers' packages to the Internet (via your cell provider as your ISP) and not directly to another computers linked to it. Your iPhone in non-tether is just another wifi device and can link up with your computer (as for iTunes sync) but the two must have access to a common Wifi Router/AP device ("be on the same network") - there we go - a star configuration.

So back to your problem - unless the CamControl device implements its wifi function as a full functioning Wifi Router/AP device, it cannot communicate directly with your computer. It is merely another wifi device and as such will not "know" your computer - it must talk to the world via a Wifi router/AP device and can then communicate with all devices attached to that router/AP device. Being able to function as a wifi router/AP device would require a lot more sophistication in the hardware and software (aka much more expensive), would require setup as a router and DHCP server (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - ie knowing how to dole out IP address to devices) and more extreme security implementations. Hence I don't think they would provide that function.

(An aside - I hope you understand why complex Password system (WAP/WAP2 etc) are required when setting up a wifi router as any rouge device attached to that router can now get to all devices attached to that router - bad bad situation!)

Hope that helps.
 
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Horoscope Fish

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So I need to buy a router just for the camera to be a sever? Cant the d5300 just connect to my laptop?
No, you can't; because both devices (your D5300 and your laptop) communicate with one another via the network and the router is the access point to the network for both devices. You want to skip the access point and, simply put, you can't do that.

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RocketCowboy

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Actually...the D5300's wifi implementation technically turns the camera into an access point, or the 802.11 infrastructure device that other devices would connect (associate) to. There isn't any other equipment required for a connection.

That's said, I have not seen any software for a laptop that provides the functionality available on the iOS/Android apps. I suspect that is by design intent.
 

yauman

Senior Member
Actually...the D5300's wifi implementation technically turns the camera into an access point, or the 802.11 infrastructure device that other devices would connect (associate) to. There isn't any other equipment required for a connection.

That's said, I have not seen any software for a laptop that provides the functionality available on the iOS/Android apps. I suspect that is by design intent.

OMG, RocketCowboy, you are right! I just check the specs on the D5300 on Nikon's page and it is an AP device in wifi mode. So when turn one, it broadcasts an SSID and other wifi device can attach to it. But it looks like there's apps for iPhone and Android to control it.
 

RocketCowboy

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I've only used my D5300 wifi tethered to my iPhone maybe twice. While it worked out pretty well, it just isn't something I find myself using on a regular basis.

Being that my day job is working (designing/troubleshooting) wifi gear for big enterprises, I HAD to have wifi to test with, but that's been about it. Works solid, I just haven't found a good use for it with what I'm doing.
 

PapaST

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Actually...the D5300's wifi implementation technically turns the camera into an access point, or the 802.11 infrastructure device that other devices would connect (associate) to. There isn't any other equipment required for a connection.

That's said, I have not seen any software for a laptop that provides the functionality available on the iOS/Android apps. I suspect that is by design intent.

I'm seeing this functionality more and more. My GoPro has this ability and if I remember correctly, my Sony NEX6 does as well.
 

RocketCowboy

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I'm seeing this functionality more and more. My GoPro has this ability and if I remember correctly, my Sony NEX6 does as well.

Which functionality? Supporting both smartphones as computers instead of just smartphones?

I agree, I'm not sure why Nikon draws the distinction and chooses to only support smartphones, but I think it's an arbitrary decision and likely to change at some point down the road.
 

PaulPosition

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I'm using dslrdashboard for my ptp-over-ip needs.

Lots of functionality for tethering, bracketing (exposure, focus), timelapses, camera settings, etc.

It's free. It works with my d5200+WU1a adapter. There's an android version in Google play.

There are beta versions of its next generation (called qDSLR-dashboard) for Windows (I've used that), Android (used it too), Linux, OS-X and soon iOS.

More info, instructions/forum/downloads at DslrDashboard | Controlling Nikon and Canon DSLR
 
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PapaST

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Which functionality? Supporting both smartphones as computers instead of just smartphones?

I agree, I'm not sure why Nikon draws the distinction and chooses to only support smartphones, but I think it's an arbitrary decision and likely to change at some point down the road.

So far, I'm seeing it mostly with smartphones. But I agree that it will be more prevalent with laptops in the future.
 

PaulPosition

Senior Member
No, you can't; because both devices (your D5300 and your laptop) communicate with one another via the network and the router is the access point to the network for both devices. You want to skip the access point and, simply put, you can't do that.

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I haven't read all the docs, but I think you understood that wrong.

PtP over usb is pretty well known while doing it through Ethernet/WiFi protocols is much less documented. So the semi clever way someone designed was to use a router with usb port to remotely control camera's using well known code libraries.

The router *replaces* the WU1a (or similar) adapter.
 
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